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Monday, April 12, 2021

New York and Every State Needs Full Marriage Equality

I'm seeing a lot of attention for this article from nypost.com, written by Kathianne Boniello...

A New Yorker who wants to marry their own adult offspring is suing to overturn laws barring the incestuous practice, calling it a matter of “individual autonomy.”

Good. Either we have a right to marry, or we don't. Most people support the right to marry. We certainly do!

Full marriage equality is needed NOW!
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Sunday, April 11, 2021

New to This Blog or Looking to Find Out More?

NOTE: With more people currently spending much more time at home with family, you should read this if you’re in that situation.


We support the rights of an adult, regardless of gender, sexual orientation, race, or religion, to share love, sex, residence, and marriage (and any other union offered by law), and any of those things without the others, with any and all consenting adults, without fear of prosecution, bullying, or discrimination. These are basic human rights under a system of gender equality and it shouldn't matter who is disgusted by the relationships of other adults or who doesn't understand why the adults would want to be together. Inherent in these rights is the right to NOT be in a relationship, NOT to marry, and to divorce or leave a relationship.

If you're viewing the desktop/laptop version, you'll see that over there in the column on the right you can find ways to connect and to follow this blog, and at the top of the page are tabs with drop-downs of some important pages, entries, and links. If you're viewing a mobile version, many of the links are below.

You are welcomed and affirmed here regardless of your gender, sexuality, or relationship diversities, and whether you are looking for more information, are in the closet or out about your gender, sexual orientation, or relationship, or want to be an ally. Are you here because of polyamory or polygamy? Perhaps you're here because this blog covers Genetic Sexual Attraction or consanguinamory (consensual incest) or because you think or know your partner has been involved? Do you need help? Whether you're a family member or friend who is looking for more information, or a journalist, or are someone who is looking to help the cause, we hope you are helped by what is here.

There's an About This Blog page, and you can read about the triad who originally inspired this blog.

There's a Glossary so that you can become familiar with terms frequently used here.

We explain why we need solidarity in supporting full marriage equality and we debunk all the arguments that you'll ever hear made against equality, so if you're against equal rights, please carefully read through that page.

On the Case Studies page we feature interviews with people who have been denied their rights, so you can "meet" people who are, or have been, in consensual loving relationships who have are harmed by the lack of equality under the law.

This blog is a labor of love. There's no advertising and we don't accept monetary contributions. Want to help? Spread the word. If you are a lawyer, attorney, or someone who works with a legal group or law firm, we'd like to hear from you if you are supportive. Also, this blog DOES accept content submissions (Keith can be contacted at... fullmarriageequality at protonmail dot com), but makes no offer, implicit nor explicit, of compensation nor guarantees that it will be used. If you want to tell your story, that would be very helpful to others!

Tell us what you think by commenting or by contacting us.

Join our Facebook group "I Support Full Marriage Equality."

Keith wants to be friends with all who support full marriage equality and relationship rights for all adults. Be Facebook friends with Keith.

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If you don't want to connect, still feel free to send Keith a note at fullmarriageequality at protonmail dot com

Myths about Genetic Sexual Attraction
Ten Myths About Sibling Consanguinamory
Bad Reasons to Deny Love
Ten Reasons Why Consensual Incest is Wrong (Sarcastic) 

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Saturday, April 10, 2021

National Siblings Day

It’s National Siblings Day, at least here in the US. 

In keeping with the interests of this blog, we want to celebrate all people who love their siblings, especially if that includes supporting your sibling as they face discrimination for their gender identity,  their sexual or relationship orientations, or their relationships or sexuality.

We also want to celebrate all siblings in consanguinamorous relationships. For many of them, there is no more important person in the world than their sibling(s).

So if you have a good sibling, let them know you appreciate them.

Here's one of many interviews I've done with consanguinamorous siblings. There are more here.

If you have siblings or children or a parent or some other close relative or friends in such a sibling relationship, this is for you.

Sometimes middle-aged siblings experience a change in their relationship dynamic. Unfortunately, siblings are still denied their freedom to marry in most of the world.

Finally, there is some really wonderful, painfully realistic fiction about a sibling relationship.

Comment below or email fullmarriageequality at protonmail dot com if you have something you want to share about your sibling(s).
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Friday, April 9, 2021

The Consanguinamorous and Allies Have a Place to Talk

If you're consanguinamorous or have ever been in a consanguinamorous relationship or have had sex with a close relative or want to, are experiencing Genetic Attraction or Genetic Sexual Attraction, you're a friend or family member of someone who is, or you're an ally in general, there is a good forum for you called Kindred Spirits. It's free, so come check it out, sign up with a username, and follow the instructions. The forum is based in France, which has no laws against consenting adults being consanguinamorous, but the forum is in English.

Please note:
  • Kindred Spirits is for people considering consanguinamory or who have been involved in consanguinamory, or experiencing Genetic Attraction or Genetic Sexual Attraction, and allies, and supportive or curious friends and family.
  • It is NOT for anyone under the age of 18.
  • The forum is porn-free. There are plenty of other places to find porn with consanguinamory themes, so don't bother trying to find it at KS.
  • The forum is not for incest fetishists or anyone else looking for fap material. Again, there are plenty of other places for that.
  • The forum is not a place for haters to express their bigotry, prejudice, and ignorance. You're doing that in many other places.
  • The forum is not for any adult who engages in, or wants to advocate, abusing minors or abusing anyone.
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Thursday, April 8, 2021

Clearing Up Consanguinity

Many people get confused about terms like "second cousins" and "once removed" when referring to close but not-so-close relations. Your parent's sibling's child is your first cousin. That person's child would be your first cousin, once removed. That person's child and your child would be second cousins.

Here's a helpful chart that can help explain it.



Source: http://www.sanantonio.gov/atty/ethics/ConsanguinityChart.htm

Remember, there's nothing wrong with experimenting with, dating, or even marrying a cousin. Consanguineous relationships and marriages are nothing new. There are some countries and a little over half of US states where the bigotry against marriage equality extends to preventing first cousins from marrying, but there are many places where marrying a first cousin is legal and common. I'm only aware of a few US states where sex between first cousins is technically illegal, so check the laws of your state if you are concerned. It should be searchable on your official state website.


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Tuesday, April 6, 2021

One Family in Serbia

We have another interview to bring you.

As this interview is being published, there are many people still spending more time home with family members. Perhaps some of them will find this interview an inspiration? Or they can see this for some possibilities.

People in consanguinamorous relationships are everywhere, though consanguinamorists tend to be closeted. Fortunately, some are willing to be interviewed for this blog. As a result, Full Marriage Equality has featured scores of exclusive interviews with lovers denied the freedom to marry and have that marriage treated equally under the law. Most can’t even be out if the closet or they’ll gave prosecution under absurd incest laws, which, instead of focusing on abuse, also target consensual relationships.

The man interviewed below should be free 
to legallmarry his lover, or simply to be together as a couple without having to hide. They are consenting adults who aren’t hurting anyone; why should they be denied their rights? In much of the world, they could be criminally prosecuted for their love, and might be persecuted severely in addition.

Read the interview below and see for yourself what this man has to say. You may think this relationship is interesting, or it might make you uncomfortable, or you might find it ideal, even highly romantic, but whatever your reaction, should lovers like these be denied equal access to marriage or any other rights simply because they love each other this way?

Also please note that someone you love, respect, and admire could be in a similar relationship right now. Should they be attacked and denied rights because of the "incest" label?



*****



FULL MARRIAGE EQUALTY: Describe yourself.

Anonymous Man: I am a 19 year-old student from Serbia. I am an average looking  guy, I wear glasses, I am kinda shy, a gamer type person. My ethnicity is Serbian, I already have primary school, secondary school, and now I am learning in a university. I am studying s media course. I have a 21 year-old sister who is learning in the same university as me. But not on the same course.

My mother and her first son are a couple but they aren't married because of the law. But they wear rings. They are our parents. Our mother is 62 and our father is 42.


FME: How do you describe your gender and sexual orientation?

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Monday, April 5, 2021

Warning About Imposters

This is a very important message.

It has come to my attention that someone claiming to be a co-founder of this blog is contacting people online.

Accept No Imposters.

Keith Pullman founded this blog. There are no co-founders. My friends who initially inspired this blog DO NOT reach out to anyone online while referencing this blog. (I do publish submissions sometimes and note them as submissions.)

Here, in email, and on social media, I go by Keith Pullman, FullMarriageEquality, FME, or some combination thereof.

My email addresses are:

fullmarriageequality at protonmail dot com
fullmarriageequality at yahoo dot com

Please note exactly how they are spelled. You can reach me at those addresses (ProtonMail is best) if you have any questions.

These are also my accounts through which I reach out to people:

Tumblr (SFW) - https://fullmarriageequality.tumblr.com/
Reddit - https://www.reddit.com/user/KeithPullman-FME
Wire - fullmarriageequality

To a lesser extent, I also use...

Telegram - KPFME
Discord - FullMarriageEquality #2999

There are a few other social media services, and I also have a presence on some "Tumblr alternatives," but I haven't reached out to anyone through them and haven't planned to. I'm also on some forums. If someone is claiming to be me or connected with me and you're not sure, email me or contact me at the accounts linked above. I want to know if someone is falsely claiming to be associated with this blog or me.

I protect privacy. While I do sometimes accept what people initiate to send me, I won't pressure you to provide personally identifying information, documents, pictures, or video.

If I want to put you in contact with someone, I will personally introduce you to them with your permission. I don't send people to contact you without letting you know.

I hope this helps.
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Sunday, April 4, 2021

These Are Not Arguments

This has been added to our Discredited Arguments page, which you'll find to be very helpful in answering the usual arguments that are really flimsy attempts to justify prejudice.

NOT EVEN ARGUMENTS: 1) Labeling or describing something, even accurately, is NOT an argument. For example, saying "That's homosexuality!" does not make a claim as to why it shouldn't be allowed or why it should be discriminated against. 2) Stating an opinion, such as that something is "wrong" or "immoral" is not an argument, either. It indicates WHAT someone thinks, but not WHY. 3) Claiming to have made an accurate prediction that someone would want their rights, such as "I said this would happen!" isn't an argument. 4) Appealing to the very law in question, by saying "It's illegal!" isn't an argument (and, it isn't always true, either, depending on location.) The very thing being argued is whether something should be illegal or otherwise discriminated against.


Here's the full page.
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Saturday, April 3, 2021

How Common Are Swinging Parties?


Here is his answer to the question "How Common Are Swinging Parties?"

Very. Very very very. There are a lot of swingers in the world. 
If you’re near any reasonably-sized Western town, there’s probably a swing party or three happening somewhere in town on any given weekend, not including all the private sex parties and play parties happening in private homes. 
If you’re in a larger town or small city, I can pretty much guarantee there are swinger events happening near you, on average, at least four or five days a week. If you’re in a major city, I’ll bet money a sex party is taking place within five miles of you on any given weekend.
This idea that most people are cisgender heterosexual lifelong monogamists (or serial monogamists) who fit neatly into traditional gender roles and marry one person of the "opposite sex" who is the same race as them and not "too closely" related and they have vanilla sex in their bedroom 2-3 times per week and rarely anywhere else is something that just doesn't match up with reality.

There are people who are voluntarily celibate and/or chaste, whether they are asexual or not.

There are people not far from where you are right now who are transgender or genderfluid.

There are people not far from where you are right now who...
  • Are in a relationship/marriage with someone of a different race.
  • Are in same-sex monogamous or monogamish relationships, including marriage.
  • Are ethically nonmonogamous, whether they are swingers or in open relationships or are polyamorous or somehow engaged in, and/or prone to, some forms of consensual, honest nonmonogamy.
  • Are in, or oriented towards, romantic and/or erotic relationships with close relatives.
  • Engage in what are considered kinks or fetishes that only involve consensual interactions with others.
You don't even realize it about many of them, especially if you aren't looking for it. So many of these people lead otherwise "regular" or "traditional" lives.

Our laws, institutions, workplaces, policies, and programs must take these things into account. Affirming relationship rights, including full marriage equality, will help with that.
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Thursday, April 1, 2021

Genetic Sexual Attraction is Not a Mental Disorder or Character Flaw

Since Genetic Sexual Attraction or Genetic Attraction isn't something most of the masses know or understand, it's easy for there to be misunderstanding about it, especially some seemingly sadistic (and I'm not talking about the good kind of sadism) bigots decide to verbally beat up people who have experienced GSA.

Reunion GSA describes the intense, overwhelming attraction a postpubescent person may experience after being reunited or introduced to a postpubescent close genetic relative with whom they've had little-to-no contact since about age seven or before. It can happen when someone conceived through sperm donation meets someone else who had the same sperm donor. It can happen when a woman meets the genetic father who never knew she existed because she was conceived during a one night stand. It can happen when an adoptee reunites with a birth parent or finds an aunt or uncle or full or half sibling. It can happen when full or half siblings were separated because of divorce as young children and raised thousand of miles apart, barely seeing each other until they're in their late teens or older. There are many ways for this to happen.

It's about the phenomenon experienced by an individual. That person may not even tell anyone else about this. It may or may not be reciprocated. If reciprocated, sex often, but not always, results. Trying to dismiss GSA as some deceptive synonym for incest is ignorance or a willful attack on persecuted people, many of whom had absolutely no say in the circumstances that have resulted in GSA.
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Tuesday, March 30, 2021

Transgender Day of Visibility 2021


Transgender people are diverse. There is no one right way to be trans.

Transgender people are everywhere. If you think you've never met a transgender person or shared a restroom with someone who is transgender, you're almost certainly wrong. You just didn't realize.

We want transgender people to know: You are welcome here. We care. We will continue to speak up for your rights.
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Monday, March 29, 2021

Sibling Rivalry or Sibling Revelry

I used to be active on a certain Big Online Portal's question-and-answer feature, answering questions related to full marriage equality and relationship rights for all adults, and occasionally questions about teenager sexuality. I still read what goes on there. Every once in a while, someone will ask a question like this...
I caught my siblings making out, what should i do?
I caught my 16 year old sister and 17 year old brother making out, I don't really know what to do. To be honest I'm very shocked, and a bit disoriented thinking about it. They're both pretty attractive, I don't see why they would shack up with each other when they could go out and get people who... aren't related to them.

I want to tell ma and pa, but they begged me not to, don't really know how to approach this situation, Or if I should just respect their privacy. I guess I'm just worried about their mental health, but I guess that's pretty unfair of me to assume something is wrong with them.

What do i do?
For all we know, the teens "making out" with each other are both half-siblings to the asker, and unrelated to each other, or they could be stepsiblings or adopted siblings. Or, they could be half or full-blood siblings to each other. (It might have even been a reunion Genetic Sexual Attraction situation if the siblings have not been raised together.) Whatever their genetic, legal, and social relation, it isn't uncommon for siblings as close in age as they are, especially in their teens, to have such affection between them.

Also, we don't know where they live, and thus whether or not they live somewhere where it is legal for a 17-year-old and 16-year-old to have sex with each other.

Most therapists consider such sibling behavior, absent any coercion, force, or intimidation, to be mutual experimentation or exploration.

In general, however, my advice to someone in the asker's position is to:

1. Confirm this is a voluntary activity. If observing wasn't enough, ask the younger/smaller/less assertive/more needy sibling if they are being pressured, intimidated, coerced, or forced in any way.

2. Respect their privacy. Start by reminding them it's a good idea to be discreet and promise you will knock.

3. Protect and support them.

4. If needed, assist them in accessing contraception and health care.

(See this extensive advice at The Final Manifesto for friends and family of consanguinamorous siblings.)
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Friday, March 26, 2021

Media Request

Here is a request from the media. This person is looking for those who've experienced Genetic Sexual Attraction or consanguinamorous relationships. More of my thoughts below.

*****

Hey everyone, 

Hope you guys are doing good. 

Keith Pullman has kindly allowed me to send across a message to you all. 

I hope you don’t mind and you don’t find this too intrusive. 

My name is Candice Fernandez and I’m a feature writer at HotSpot Media, a press agency in Birmingham, UK. 

I source and write features for the national women’s magazines across the UK. 

I wondered if you would be interested in speaking to me about Genetic Sexual Attraction, whether it is something you have experienced in life, or if you’re in a relationship with a relative at the moment? 

It doesn't matter if you were reunited or grew up together, anything is welcome.

It’d be for a UK magazine feature and it’d focus on how love has absolutely no bounds. 

I think GSA is a very misunderstood taboo in society today and am really looking to break down those barriers.

Hopefully, we can get more people to understand it. 

The aim of the article is to raise awareness and even perhaps inspire other GSA people reading, not to be ashamed. 

I'd like to reassure you that I'd never publish your story without your permission. 

You would receive a full read back to ensure you were completely happy with how it sounded. 

We cannot publish the article without your 100% approval. 

You would need to be named and pictured. 

But if it puts your mind at ease, we’d be happy to give you fake surnames. 

This way, no one can look you up. 

It would also only appear in one UK magazine for one week only. It wouldn’t go online either. 

So the likeliness of people you know seeing it, is actually quite slim. 

Of course, you would be paid for sharing your story too. 

If you’re interested in hearing more about the process or if you have any questions at all, please contact me in confidence on 0121 55 11 004 / 07706 254 066. 

Or you can email me at: candice@hotspotmedia.co.uk

There would be no obligation for you to go ahead with an article if you had reservations after speaking with me.

Thank you for taking the time to read this. 

Regardless if anyone gets back to me, I think you're all wonderful people and I wish you the best with everything! 

Take care, Candice

*****

Emphasis mine.

All I know is what is in that notice. But based on what she has said, if you are at all inclined to consider participating, I recommend contacting her. Ask her questions. If you end up not participating in her article, there's no harm to you.

While caution is justified, we need to get GSA and consanguinamory stories in the media in a positive way.
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Thursday, March 25, 2021

Women Can Have Multiple Spouses, Too

Or, There’s More to Polygamy Than Polygyny

Women can enjoy multiple spouses, multiple husbands, multiple wives, multiple partners, multiple girlfriends, multiple boyfriends, and dating multiple people. A woman can love more than one person, have multiple ongoing romantic relationships, and have multiple ongoing sexual relationships.

Regular readers of this blog may find such statements to be obvious, but way too often, when I read or hear news or commentary about “polygamy,” what is meant is “polygyny” (one husband, multiple wives). Polyandry, meaning one wife with multiple husbands, has existed in tradition and still exists in modern relationships, and it is polygamy, too, as are spousal relationships between multiple women and multiple men, or three or more men, or three or more women.

This blog supports relationship rights for adults regardless of gender. A woman should be just as free as a man to marry more than one person, regardless of their genders or how closely related, and just as free as a man to not marry at all. or to leave a marriage.

Polyamory and Polygamy
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Tuesday, March 23, 2021

A Healing Love Between Son and Mother

There are many ways people can be consanguinamorous. There are also many benefits to consanguinamory, including that it can be healing. Here's a slightly different interview than most of the ones published here. 

As this interview is being published, there are many people still spending more time home with family members. Perhaps some of them will find this interview an inspiration? Or they can see this for some possibilities.

People in consanguinamorous relationships are everywhere, though consanguinamorists tend to be closeted. Fortunately, some are willing to be interviewed for this blog. As a result, Full Marriage Equality has featured scores of exclusive interviews with lovers denied the freedom to marry and have that marriage treated equally under the law. Most can’t even be out if the closet or they’ll gave prosecution under absurd incest laws, which, instead of focusing on abuse, also target consensual relationships.

The man interviewed below should’ve been free to be open about the special love he shared with his lover. 
They were consenting adults who weren’t hurting anyone; why should they have been denied their rights? In much of the world, they could’ve been criminally prosecuted for their love, and might’ve been persecuted severely in addition.

Read the interview below and see for yourself what this man has to say about the healing bond they shared. You may think this relationship is interesting, or it might make you uncomfortable, or you might find it ideal, even highly romantic or erotic, but whatever your reaction, should lovers like these be denied equal access to marriage or any other rights simply because they love each other this way? Should they have to hide?

Also please note that someone you love, respect, and admire could be in a similar relationship right now. Should they be attacked and denied rights because of the "incest" label?

**WARNING: Mild mentions of sexual touch.**


*****


Anonymous Man: I can tell you my story, I see you're trustable but I can't support your cause openly.

FULL MARRIAGE EQUALITY: That’s how it is for most. I would never reveal your secrets. 

Anonymous Man: That's important for me. I have a family now, and nobody knows anything about my story.

I'm Italian living in Germany. I work as an engineer.

When I was younger, around my twenties I had a sexual relationship with my mother. It lasted three years.

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Monday, March 22, 2021

Curious About Polyamory?

It's been a while since I've linked to the excellent blog, Polyamory in the News. Check out this recent entry that is very helpful for people looking for a basic introduction to polyamory
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Saturday, March 20, 2021

A Loving and Healing Marriage Denied Equality

We have yet another exclusive interview to bring you. This one is bittersweet.

As this interview is being published, there are many people still spending more time at home with family members. Perhaps some of them will find this interview an inspiration? Or they can see this for some possibilities.

People in consanguinamorous relationships are everywhere, though consanguinamorists tend to be closeted. Fortunately, some are willing to be interviewed for this blog. As a result, Full Marriage Equality has featured scores of exclusive interviews with lovers denied the freedom to marry and have that marriage treated equally under the law. Most can’t even be out if the closet or they’ll gave prosecution under absurd incest laws, which, instead of focusing on abuse, also target consensual relationships.

The woman interviewed below should’ve been free 
to legallmarry her first husband, or simply to be together as a couple without having to hide, yet they couldn’t do either. They were consenting adults who weren’t hurting anyone; why should they have been denied their rights? In much of the world, they could’ve been criminally prosecuted for their love, and might’ve been persecuted severely in addition.

Read the interview below and see for yourself what this woman has to say about the marital bond they shared. You may think this relationship is interesting, or it might make you uncomfortable, or you might find it ideal, even highly romantic, but whatever your reaction, should lovers like these be denied equal access to marriage or any other rights simply because they love each other this way?

Also please note that someone you love, respect, and admire could be in a similar relationship right now. Should they be attacked and denied rights because of the "incest" label?

**WARNING: Mentions of child abuse.**


*****


FULL MARRIAGE EQUALITY: Describe yourself.

Melissa: I'm a writer  and a symphony musician. I live in a major metropolitan area in Texas with my second husband and our four teenage children. 
For the purpose of this interview, I’ll refer to myself as Melissa and to my brother as Matthew. These are not our real names. I still worry about repercussions should people know about the full nature of our relationship.
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Friday, March 19, 2021

Siblings Having Fun

We have yet another exclusive interview to bring you. As this interview is being published, there are many people still spending more time home with family members. Perhaps some of them will find this interview an inspiration? Or they can see this for some possibilities.

People in consanguinamorous relationships are everywhere, though consanguinamorists tend to be closeted. Fortunately, some are willing to be interviewed for this blog. As a result, Full Marriage Equality has featured scores of exclusive interviews with lovers denied the freedom to marry and have that marriage treated equally under the law. Most can’t even be out if the closet or they’ll gave prosecution under absurd incest laws, which, instead of focusing on abuse, also target consensual relationships.

Not everyone sharing consanguinamory considers their relationship a great love affair or a marriage, though. Some are experimenting, exploring, having recreational sex, or in a family-with-benefits situation.

The man interviewed below, should be free 
to legallmarry his partner, or simply to be together as a couple without having to hide, yet they can’t. They are consenting adults who aren’t hurting anyone; why should they have been denied their rights? In much of the world, they could be criminally  prosecuted for their love, and might be persecuted severely in addition.

Read the interview below and see for yourself what this man has to say about fun they share. You may think this relationship is interesting, or it might make you uncomfortable, or you might find it ideal, even highly erotic, but whatever your reaction, should lovers like these be denied equal access to marriage or any other rights simply because they love each other this way?

Also please note that someone you love, respect, and admire could be in a similar relationship right now. Should they be attacked and denied rights because of the "incest" label?

**WARNING: Brief descriptions of sexuality.**


*****


FULL MARRIAGE EQUALITY: Describe yourself.

Marc: I am an 18 year old guy from Zagreb, Croatia. I am Caucasian like my family. I am currently in my final year of high school. I want to enroll in law school after that. In my free time I go to the gym and watch sports. I live with my dad, mum and younger sister. My older sister is 20 and lives in another part of Zagreb because she is in college dorm.


FME: How would you describe your gender(s)? How would you describe your sexual orientation?

I'm male, she is female. We are heterosexual and monogamous.


FME: Is she your full blood sister, half sister, stepsister, or adopted sister?

Full blood sister.

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Thursday, March 18, 2021

It's Futile to Play Relationship Cop - Assist People Instead

The main focus of this blog is on rights for all adults to be themselves and have their romantic, sexual and social relationships with other consenting adults, and marry, to form families if they want to, and raise children if they want to. We have pointed out repeatedly that most sexual encounters do not result in a birth. Many people who have relationships or marry never have genetic children together; some people in consanguinamorous relationships choose not to. So, we must recognize the differences between sex, marriage, parenting, and reproduction.

Consanguineous marriages have happened all throughout history all over the planet, and in many places, there are still customary. You have some in your family history, it is almost a certainty. Here's a study under the heading of "Science and society: genetic counseling and customary consanguineous marriage."


Consanguineous marriage is customary in many societies, but leads to an increased birth prevalence of infants with severe recessive disorders. It is therefore often proposed that consanguineous marriage should be discouraged on medical grounds. However, several expert groups have pointed out that this proposal is inconsistent with the ethical principles of genetic counselling, overlooks the social importance of consanguineous marriage and is ineffective. Instead, they suggest that the custom increases the possibilities for effective genetic counseling, and recommend a concerted effort to identify families at increased risk, and to provide them with risk information and carrier testing when feasible.
This article was published in Nat Rev Genet and referenced in Journal of Clinical Research and Bioethics
There needs to be more studies of consanguinamorous relationships and how counselors, therapists, and others can serve them, whether or not the lovers plan to have children. Trying to discourage consenting adults from continuing their relationships is mostly wasteful and often cruel, and in insult to their fundamental rights.
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Tuesday, March 16, 2021

Has Your Partner Experienced Consanguinamory?

I used be active at a certain Big Internet Portal's Question and Answer service, until someone who couldn’t handle me answering questions truthfully when it comes to certain romantic or sexual topics decided to get me "suspended" using a weakness in their automated system. After that, I'd still check to see what questions were being asked there, even though I couldn't participate in any way or even contact anyone there unless they had somehow provided an email address in their question or answer. I will not link to the service, but I will quote it. Someone named Lauren asked this question...

Ok.....complicated one, recently found out my husband and his younger sister had sex for a number of years between the ages of 10-12, this is what he's telling me tho I'm aware this may have more to it? We are a young couple married with two children (boys) my relationship with his family has never been great and this hasn't helped! Can anyone give me any advice or your thoughts on how you would deal with this news? I'm up and down and so confused.....

Questions like this come up more than people might think. Person A is dating or married to Person B and Person A suspects or has found out that Person B has been sexually involved with a sibling or other family member. Person A usually wants to know what they should do.

It is important to clarify the situation by determining the answers to some questions.

1) Is this something that is suspected or has it been confirmed?

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Monday, March 15, 2021

Tale as Old as Time

This blog is about relationship rights for all adults, especially the right to marry any and all consenting adults. It is not about criticizing nor promoting any philosophy towards religion, spiritual considerations, superstitions, the paranormal or supernatural, any religious text or writings/traditions/beliefs/practices/systems/organizations considered sacred, inspired, of authoritative by some, nor skepticism when it comes to such things.

There are both allies and opponents of relationship rights and full marriage equality in just about every religion and among those who claim no religion, and I welcome allies no matter what tradition, if any, they prefer or reject.

With that out of the way…

Considering the Bible as literature, which anyone can do whether they are a devout Christian, a Deist, a Hindu, an Atheist, or an Antitheist or take some other path, one can see that the Bible implies, outright portrays, and further addresses consanguineous sex.

Frequently, someone will ask “Where did Cain get his wife?” or “Did Adam and Eve’s children have sex with each other?” or some variation. Whether someone considers this speculation about fanciful myths or actual history is irrelevant to analyzing what the text itself says.

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Thursday, March 11, 2021

Consanguinamory After COVID

The past year (give or take) has been different for most of us, either because we were at home with family or we were distanced from family, due to the Coronavirus, or COVID-19 and physical or social distancing, "stay at home" living, and so forth.

More people than ever at least experimented with consanguineous sex (consensual incest). or just more physical affection with family members. Maybe you're one of them.

Or, maybe you've thought about it, but still haven't done anything.

Either way, with more and more of the planet opening up, what now?

If you started something, you don't need to stop.

If you wanted to start something, you might still be able to.


There's nothing wrong with close relatives or family members sharing and normalizing (more) cuddling, snuggling, spooning, hugging, kissing, touching, going without clothes, bathing or showering together, massaging each other, or talking about sexual feelings, desires, fantasies, or other sexual topics, or sharing sex.

Whether you're blood relatives, step relatives, adoptive relatives, in-laws, or honorary relatives, there's nothing wrong with your feelings and, depending on the circumstances, there may be nothing wrong with sharing more affection. 

You might need to read one or more entries on this blog that I list below. Feel free to contact me.

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Wednesday, March 10, 2021

A Polyamorous Consanguinamorous Marriage Denied Equal Rights

We are happy to be bring you another interview. As this interview is being published, there are many people still spending more time home with family members. Perhaps some of them will find this interview an inspiration? Or they can see this for some possibilities.

People in consanguinamorous and polyamorous relationships are everywhere, though many polyamorists are closeted and consanguinamorists are even more likely to be closeted. Fortunately, some are willing to be interviewed for this blog. As a result, Full Marriage Equality has featured scores of exclusive interviews with lovers denied the freedom to marry and have that marriage treated equally under the law. Most can’t even be out if the closet or they’ll gave prosecution under absurd incest laws, which, instead of focusing on abuse, also target consensual relationships.

The woman interviewed below should be free 
to legallmarry her spouses, or simply to be together as a triad or throuple without having to hide, yet they can’t. They are consenting adults who aren’t hurting anyone; why should they have been denied their rights? In much of the world, they could be criminally prosecuted for their love, and might be persecuted severely in addition.

Read the interview below and see for yourself what this woman has to say about the bond they share. You may think this relationship is interesting, or it might make you uncomfortable, or you might find it ideal, even highly erotic and romantic, but whatever your reaction, should lovers like these be denied equal access to marriage or any other rights simply because they love each other this way?

Also please note that someone you love, respect, and admire could be in a similar relationship right now. Should they be attacked and denied rights because of the "incest" label?

**WARNING: Mildly epxlicit descriptions of childhood exploration and adult sex.**


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FULL MARRIAGE EQUALITY: Describe yourself.


954Girl: I work for a large, international bank. My dad is a senior corporate executive at a different company.  My mom was a stay-at-home mom but did volunteer work, which she continues to do. We live in South Florida but don’t want to say more than that. My brother works for the same bank as I do, but he lives in Australia with his wife.

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Cambridge Makes A Good Start

There is no good reason to deny polyamorous people access to civil unions, domestic partnerships, and marriage, if so desired. 

Cambridge, Massachusetts has taken a step forward in this civil rights issue. Elizabeth Nolan Brown at Reason.com reports...
The city of Cambridge, Massachusetts, will become the second municipality in the country to legalize domestic partnerships between three or more people. On Monday, Cambridge City Council approved an ordinance amending the city's existing statute to stipulate that a domestic partnership needn't only include two partners.
Excellent! Unfortunately, the law still discriminates. 
Now, a domestic partnership in Cambridge "means the entity formed by two or more persons" who are not related and file a registration declaring that they're "in a relationship of mutual support, caring and commitment and intend to remain in such a relationship," are "not in a domestic partnership with others outside this partnership," and "consider themselves to be a family."
There is no good reason to excluded related people from this. 
The new language removes the requirement that all individuals in a domestic partnership must reside together. It also does away with a section declaring that domestic partners must submit to the city various pieces of evidence proving their familial relationship.
Good.
"The ordinance was developed with detailed input from the newly formed Polyamory Legal Advocacy Coalition (PLAC), and is the first of what advocates hope will be a wave of legal recognition for polyamorous families and relationships in 2021," said PLAC—a coalition comprised of the Chosen Family Law Center, the Harvard Law School LGBTQ+ Advocacy Clinic, and members of the American Psychological Association's Committee on Consensual Non-Monogamy—in a statement.
It's good to see progress, even if it isn't perfect. 
"The lack of legal protection makes non-nuclear families especially vulnerable to stigma and discrimination in employment, health care, housing, and social life," notes Diana Adams, executive director of the Chosen Family Law Center. "I have represented hundreds of clients who have been discriminated against because they're polyamorous, whether that meant being unable to visit their life partner in the hospital, losing child custody in court battles, or losing their job. Legal recognition of these families reduces social stigma and provides families with the stability we all deserve."
It is hateful to discriminate against people because of who they love. 

Every city, every state or province or territory, every country needs to support full marriage equality.
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Monday, March 8, 2021

Support the Rights of All Women

Have you been observing International Women's Day?

All women should be free to be themselves, to have their basic human and civil rights, whether they are cisgender, transgender, or noncomforming or fluid; whether they are asexual, heterosexual, lesbian, bisexual, polysexual, or pansexual; whether they are aromantic, celibate, monogamous, or nonmonogamous. Whether their relationships are exogamous, endogamous, or consanguineous. Whether they are questioning or they are certain. Whether they are raising children or have raised children or not. Whether they are married or partnered or single.

A woman, regardless of her birth, sexual orientation, relationship orientation, race, or religion, should be free to share love, sex, residence, and marriage (and any of those without the others) with ANY and ALL consenting adults, without fear of prosecution, bullying, shaming, or discrimination.

(Same goes for any other adults, too.)
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Sunday, March 7, 2021

Is a Woman Unable to Consent to Marry Her Sibling?

[Bumping this up because it is still revelant.] I take the idea of consenting adults seriously. An adult, regardless of gender, sexual orientation, race, or religion should be free to share love, sex, residence, and marriage (or any other legal union offered) with any and all consenting adults.

This does not mean I think any given person is a good match for any other person, or that they are treating each other right. It just means whether or not they have a relationship and what they do together should be up to them, not anyone else.

Our laws are inconsistent about this. A 22-year-old woman living below the poverty level can legally consent to sign a prenuptial agreement and legally marry a 60-year-old male billionaire. She can have sex with the President of the United States, who obviously has much more power than her. The law in many places allows her to marry a complete stranger. Also, in most places, she can legally live with and consent to sex with a man who has what amounts to a harem, or she can consent to group sex with several weightlifting champions she’s never met before, or an older man who’s been her next-door neighbor since she was born and babysat her throughout her childhood, and is now living on death row as a convicted murderer. That’s all legal. However, in many places she’s still barred from legally marrying another 22-year-old woman, and in even more places, she is still barred from having consensual sex with, let alone marrying a full or half sibling, even if they weren’t raised together. I have yet to hear a reason justifying such discrimination that withstands scrutiny.

Recently some tweets were directed to me by a thoughtful person questioning brother-sister marriage, and those tweets deserve responses longer than 140 characters, so I’m putting my response here.

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Friday, March 5, 2021

A Letter on Genealogy

A bump-up of an entry here, "What Genealogists Know," brought a letter from a woman who will remain anonymous. Here it is...


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Hi Keith, I am a woman, born about 1975 in the midwestern United States. I read your blog entry...about consanguinamory, reproduction and the number of one's ancestors and thought that I would chime in with my own anonymized family history. There are 24 of us who live in this area who share three surnames, 21 of us trace our ancestry here back to my great-great-grandparents who came over the mountains and down the river from Virginia around 1885. That first generation consisted of three couples. Two of the three surnames came from a pair of Scot-Irish families. Mr. A married Miss B and Mr. B married Miss C (making their children double cousins) and a second Mr. A married the daughter of one of their freed household slaves.  So the 24 of us are from one-quarter to one-sixteenth whatever percent of African heritage she was. In addition, 21 of us have Native American ancestry because the third surname came from an itinerant preacher of French Canadian ancestry whose wife was half English and half Seminole. This is advanced math, but I think I am thirteen-sixteenth Scot-Irish, a sixteenth each French Canadian and African and one thirty second each Seminole and English. But, as Arlo Guthrie said, “that is not what I came to tell you about. I came to talk about” consanguinamory, and in particular what the ill-informed refer to as “inbreeding.” Of the 24 people whom share three surnames here. Two are siblings. Twelve, including my pastor and my husband are my first-cousins. I am simultaneously second cousins with six of my twelve first cousins and have six other second cousins. All six of my second cousins are also simultaneously third cousins and the remaining six of the twenty four are my third cousins. I didn’t bother to chart fourth cousins, but we are probably all fourth cousins.  So by your account, were there no “inbreeding” I should have two parents, four grandparents, eight grandparents and sixteen great-grandparents. Obviously I have two parents, and like in your model I have four grandparents. But there the similarity ends. I have six (rather than eight) great-grandparents and eight (rather than sixteen) great-great-grandparents.  Those who’ve stayed, and many didn’t, are all farmers or they work in some field related to agriculture, education for, or ministering to farm families. Living in the unpolluted countryside, eating natural, mostly unprocessed foods and working at jobs where we get sunlight and exercise we are all pretty healthy. We also stay away from hospitals -- where grandpa says, “one goes to get sick” -- we live longer with fewer health complaints than the state or national average.  As a law abiding taxpayer I am rather miffed that the State of ____ thinks that it has the authority to use my tax dollars to engage in poorly planned social engineering through its Education and Public Health Departments falsely denigrating some of its citizens. “Inbreeding” doesn’t create genetic issues, it simply helps pass ones that already exist.  They don’t address the “real” issue at all, that certain persons in the population have genetic variations that can cause reproductive harm. That certain people have lifestyle behaviors or jobs that can expose them to genetic mutation or other reproductive harm. They don’t test anyone and they don’t assist anyone. It’s easier to espouse a disproven theory that fits their political agenda. My six great grandparents who lived here had ten children who reached adulthood. The next generation which included two newcomers produced twenty children who survived to adulthood, four of whom moved away. My parents' generation produced 30 children, all of whom lived to adulthood and 24 of whom currently live in the area. I know of five children in that extended family who died from disease or accident before reaching adulthood. All were in my grandparents and great-grandparents' generation, none since. But since 1860 nineteen children born to US presidents died of disease before their seventeenth birthdays, most recently two of John and Jackie Kennedy’s. I assume that all nineteen had the best medical care available. Things were just much more “iffy” in the past.

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Interesting. Thanks for the letter, Anonymous!

If  you want to comment on anything you see at this blog, you can comment, including anonymously, after most blog entries. You can also contact Keith
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Thursday, March 4, 2021

Cousins Changing States

This was left as a comment and it is a very important question for those of us in the US.
Can anyone offer insight on the case of 1st cousins who marry where it is legal and later move to a state where it is not. It would seem that the full faith and credit clause of the constitution would offer them protection. 
Article. IV. - Section. 1.
Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State. And the Congress may by general Laws prescribe the Manner in which such Acts, Records and Proceedings shall be proved, and the Effect thereof.
From what we've seen from family law attorneys online, you appear to be correct, at least with certain states. I do want to remind you that I am not a lawyer or attorney, and I recommend checking with a family law attorney in the state to which you plan to move or have moved.

There is a chart on Wikipedia that indicates that some states will not recognize any first cousin marriages from other states, while some others will not recognize them if they are that state's residents who went to another state to get married. It seems to me this has to be unconstitutional based on many precedents.

It is important to note that a handful of US states criminalize sex between (unmarried) first cousins, and yes, people have been recently prosecuted. But it appears as though if you were legally married in one state (which can include "common law marriage" after living together a certain number of years) and move to one of those criminalizing states, you'd be OK.

There is an organization called Cousin Couples that could have answers.

Anyone with personal experience in these matters or who has practiced family law is encouraged to leave a comment.


Cousins, and any other consenting adults, should be free to be together, married or not, without fear of prosecution, bullying, or discrimination. This is why the US and every country needs full marriage equality and relationship rights for all adults.
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Wednesday, March 3, 2021

Billy and Betty - A Lifelong Love

We have yet another exclusive interview to bring you. As this interview is being published, there are many people still spending more time home with family members. Perhaps some of them will find this interview an inspiration? Or they can see this for some possibilities.

People in consanguinamorous relationships are everywhere, though consanguinamorists tend to be closeted. Fortunately, some are willing to be interviewed for this blog. As a result, Full Marriage Equality has featured scores of exclusive interviews with lovers denied the freedom to marry and have that marriage treated equally under the law. Most can’t even be out if the closet or they’ll gave prosecution under absurd incest laws, which, instead of focusing on abuse, also target consensual relationships.

The man interviewed below, with the agreement of his lover, should be free 
to legallmarry his partner, or simply to be together as a couple without having to hide, yet they can’t. They are consenting adults who aren’t hurting anyone; why should they have been denied their rights? In much of the world, they could be criminally prosecuted for their love, and might be persecuted severely in addition.

Read the interview below and see for yourself what this man has to say about the lifelong bond they share. You may think this relationship is interesting, or it might make you uncomfortable, or you might find it ideal, even highly erotic and romantic, but whatever your reaction, should lovers like these be denied equal access to marriage or any other rights simply because they love each other this way?

Also please note that someone you love, respect, and admire could be in a similar relationship right now. Should they be attacked and denied rights because of the "incest" label?

**WARNING: Brief, mild descriptions of childhood exploration.**


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FULL MARRIAGE EQUALITY: Describe yourselves and your background.

Billy: We are a full-blooded brother, age 56, and sister, 54. We are best friends, lovers, and partners in a small aviation enterprise who raised two children - Betty’s - together. Until we were twelve and ten our dad flew little airplanes in combat zones for the U.S. Army - they actually have more than the Air Force - and our mom was a “work from home mom” raising us. 
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Tuesday, March 2, 2021

A Swinging Family

We have another interview to bring you. 

People in consanguinamorous relationships are everywhere, though consanguinamorists tend to be closeted. Swingers area also everywhere, and many also tend to be somewhat closeted. Fortunately, some are willing to be interviewed for this blog. As a result, Full Marriage Equality has featured scores of exclusive interviews with lovers denied their rights. Most can’t even be out if the closet or they’ll gave prosecution under absurd incest laws, which, instead of focusing on abuse, also target consensual relationships.

The man interviewed below should be free 
to be with both women in his triad without having to hide from anyone, and without discrimination. They are consenting adults who aren’t hurting anyone; why should they have been denied their rights? In much of the world, they could be criminally prosecuted for their love, and might be persecuted severely in addition.

Read the interview below and see for yourself what this man has to say about the new, additional bond he and his wife have. You may think this relationship is interesting, or it might make you uncomfortable, or you might find it ideal, even highly erotic and romantic, but whatever your reaction, should lovers like these be denied equal access to marriage or any other rights simply because they love each other this way?

Also please note that someone you love, respect, and admire could be in a similar relationship right now. Should they be attacked and denied rights because of the "incest" label?

**WARNING: Brief, mild descriptions of sex are included.**


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FULL MARRIAGE EQUALITY: Describe yourself.

Mr. Jackson: I’m owner of multiple small stores in Florida. I’ll not dive in the things I work with, but I have a very easy and calm life, without any monetary problems. My wife and I are Brazilians, but we moved around eight years ago to the US for good. We have our daughter, single child, who just turned 24. We are all whites, and we live in South Florida.

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