Frequently Asked Questions and Hopefully Helpful Answers
About Consensual Incest, Consanguineous Sex and Marriage, and Consanguinamory
If you don't see your question answered below, ask your question by emailing fullmarriageequality at protonmail dot com
1a. What is incest?
The term “incest” is used in two ways when intended to be
taken literally:
1. Rape, sexual assault, or molestation by a close family
member or relative.
2. Consensual sex or marriage between close family members
or relatives.
Those are two
very different things. In either case, “close”
is not the same everywhere. Sometimes, first cousins are included or
step-relations are included, sometimes not. I refer to the second definition as
consanguinamory, if it actually involves genetic relatives. These answers below
are in reference to
consensual incest, either by blood (consanguinamory) or
affinity.
1b. Is this incest?
1c. What is Genetic Sexual Attraction?
Genetic Sexual Attraction is an intense attraction usually ascribed when genetic relatives who have
been separated for significant amounts of time, often since birth, or have
never met, are reunited or introduced during or after puberty. The attraction
may or may not be mutual, but is estimated to occur in up to 50% of such situations.
1d. Is Genetic Sexual Attraction incest?
Genetic Sexual Attraction is a phenomenon that may or may
not actually lead to sex. However,
if sex is involved, it is not incest from
the sociological perspective, but still may be
considered incest by outsiders,
including law enforcement, as it is incest in the genetic sense. For more,
read this.
1e. What is consanguinamory?
Consanguinamory is sexual or romantic love between close
genetic or blood relatives. Someone is consanguinamorous if they are in or
oriented to a romantic, dating, courting, or marital relationship or
engaging in sex with a close relative.
Consanguineous sex can be
expected between those who practice consanguinamory. For more,
read this.
2. How common is consensual incest or consanguinamory?
3a. Why is consensual incest illegal?
This is answered here.
4a. Isn’t consensual incest unnatural?
4b. Isn't consensual incest disgusting?
To some people, it is. To others it is natural, normal, or
exciting. Some people are disgusted by the thought of BDSM, others by
interracial sex, others by heterosexual sex, others by the thought of gay sex,
others by the thought of oral sex, others by the thought of anal sex, others by
the thought of their parents having sex, others by the thought of any sex at
all. The beauty of
letting consenting adults do what they want to do is that
you don’t have to do anything that disgusts
you. You may find it disgusting,
but others find it beautiful, enjoyable, and fulfilling.
4c. Why would anyone do consensual incest?
5a. Doesn't incest mean abuse?
5b. Doesn't incest make mutant babies?
6a. Should I get involved in a consanguinamorous or
incestuous relationship?
6b. How do I get involved in a consanguinamorous or
incestuous relationship?
Someone will often ask, especially in “incest discussion”
forums, how to seduce a close relative. As with any relationship,
it should only be by mutual consent. Stalking, harassment, coercion, or assault is never
acceptable. There is no one answer to this question, because everyone’s
situation is different and what works depends on the personalities of those
involved, the present circumstances, and the existing relationship and its history.
In some cases, it is more difficult than seduction in
general because of prejudices and fears. In other cases, it is less difficult
because there is already much physical affection and the potential lovers have intimate communication, plus their proximity and other factors that foster
sexual relationships.
If you know what you want… whether casual sex, a steady
relationship, a spousal relationship… that helps.
You should know better than anyone the personality and your
history with the other person(s), and your “relationship climate.” These things
will help determine what is likely to be the best approach.
6c. I think a close relative or family member is interested
in a sexual relationship with me. What should I do?
If you are
not interested in consanguinamory, make that
clear, just as you should when anyone else is pursuing you and you do not have
a reciprocal interest. If this is a “reunion” situation that involves
Genetic Sexual Attraction, it is especially likely the rejected person(s) will have
trouble dealing with the rejection. However, nobody should do anything they don't want to do. Sex or lovemaking should be mutually enjoyable.
See here for more.
7a. What does my incestuous dream mean? Is having such a
dream a problem?
Incestuous dreams are very common. They could be metaphorical in
that you are feeling close or affectionate, in a nonsexual way, toward the
other person(s). However, sometimes the dreams are more literal in that you may
have a sexual desire you have been uncomfortable admitting. It is only a
problem if you let it be.
See here for more.
7b. Is it abnormal or problematic to have incestuous
fantasies?
7c. Is it abnormal or problematic to read or view incest
erotica, stories, pictures, or videos?
Not if we’re talking about the depiction of consenting adults
and as long as it isn’t interfering with normal life functions and meeting your
reasonable obligations.
This theme is very popular, even with some people who
have no desire or curiosity pertaining to sex with their own family members
.
8a. I think someone I know may be involved in
consanguinamory or consensual incest. What should I do?
8b. I know someone I know is involved in consanguinamory or
consensual incest. What should I do?
8c. I found out my parents, grandparents, great-grandparents,
or other family members or ancestors were close relatives. What should I do?
8d. I walked in on someone or saw someone having
consanguinamorous or incestuous sex. What should I do?
The same thing you would do with any other relationship.
Learn to knock and be respectful of their decisions and their privacy. If they
know you know, assure them you respect their privacy and their rights to be
with each other. Unless you can’t handle hearing about it, let them know they
can talk with you. They’d probably appreciate a supportive person.
See here for more.
Here's how to be an ally.
8e. Someone told me they are having a consanguinamorous or
consensual incest relationships. What should I do?
The same thing you would do with any other relationship. Be
respectful of their decisions and their privacy. Assure them you respect their
privacy and their rights to be with each other. Unless you can’t handle hearing
about it, let them know they can talk with you. They’d probably appreciate a
supportive person.
See here for more.
8f. Someone walked in on us or discovered us having consanguinamorous
or incestuous sex, or they found out about us another way. What should we do?
8g. Our parents discovered that we’re having sex with each
other. What should we do?
Many parents have difficulty with the sexuality of their
children, even their adult children. Add in prejudices against consanguinamory,
and parents can have a seriously negative reaction. As a reminder, in many jurisdictions, even
consanguinamory between adults is illegal and prosecuted. If one or both
of you is under the age of consent where you live, having sex may be breaking
that law, too (
READ THIS). Even without those legal complications, if you are dependent on
your parents, especially living in their home, you are going to have to deal
with their rules and demands. If they want you to stop and you do not want to stop, then the best thing
you can do is be discreet and become independent, living in your own place, maybe in a different town than your parents.
Here's how to live together.
Perhaps you can have your parents read this.
And this.
8h. I think my partner or spouse might be experiencing Genetic Sexual Attraction. What do I do?Read this.
9. I am consanguinamorous. Where can I find help?
10. What can I do to help consanguinamorous people and
others who face persecution, discrimination, and prosecution because of who they
are or the person(s) they love?
Oooo. Thank you thank you! This will be so helpful. I had usually been linking peeps to your discredited argument page, but I felt like maybe that was a lot for people to read and you also had a lot of other info they had to scroll through before they could read the arguments I was getting out.
ReplyDeleteI like the layout of this! And how you link to other pages of yours regarding specific questions! You pretty covered most everything, including people's questions about dreams! haha
Hmmmm. A recommendation I have would possibly make the questions stand out more. I think maybe experimenting with making the question text a little bigger, or changing the question text color would be interesting. THis way, to somebody just scrolling down to see how long it is, they don't just see a solid body of white text, and they can clearly see that the questions are in the color of "red" for example. :P You don't have to but it might be a good idea. Maybe not though.
Thanks, Vegan. I'm trying to put those suggestions into use here and elsewhere.
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ReplyDeleteThank you for that thoughtful comment. I'm sure there are people who would say the same thing about your love life, if you have one.
Deletehahaha!
Delete"but why?"
"BECAUSE GROSS, BRO"
Thank you, Anonymous, for that excellent, deep, reasonable analysis.
DeleteI must say that there is a few places in the internet that shows this side of incest/consanguinamorous. I do believe that consensual incest does exist but not many people know about it and when they do, they condemn it. I was one of those people who was very disgusted about the concept of incest until I read up more about incest myself and shortly after, I made my own thoughts and conclusions about it. In my opinion, if people really love each other, there shouldn't be any problem with it. It doesn't matter if they are relative or not.
ReplyDeleteI am glad that you are spreading the message about love and you are doing great work.
Thank you for reading and your kind comments! And thanks for supporting people who love each other.
DeleteThis article has helped me greatly. I am in m. 30s and have a sister 8 years older. There is a close affectionate bond there and definitely some physical attraction. For different reasons we are both unable to have children. I will have to work subtley to see if this can work
ReplyDeleteUmm.... can I ask a question? What is the incest law in North Carolina US? Would it be legal to date my fathers girlfriends son? Aka "stepbrother" but not by marrige, cause my dad and his mom are just dating.
ReplyDeleteIf your parents married, you would be stepsiblings, but the only applicable law I can find for North Carolina is here: http://www.ncleg.net/enactedlegislation/statutes/html/bysection/chapter_14/gs_14-178.html
DeleteAnd stepsiblings are not listed, so I think you're in the clear. I'm not an attorney, however.
I have deeply inlove with my father for a few years now and we are both adults now. Is there anywhere that we could live where we could legally be married? Or at least live together harmoniously without the fear of being prosecuted?
ReplyDeleteCongratulations for you. Yes, there are places wher you would be free of prosecution. So far, I'm not aware of any place that will legally marry the two of you knowing your relation:
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Take a look at that map. If you are in the US, the best places are Rhode Island and New Jersey. There are some South American countries, some European countries, and India that do not prosecute consensual adult incest. Please fee free to email or otherwise contact me privately, such as on Facebook.
New Jersey is extremely in their lax of filing charges against a brother and sister for example, BUT BOTH MUST BE ADULTS,commonsense goes without saying
DeleteThanks for your post. I'm in a consensual relationship with my mom. We are in a state where it is illegal, so we are very interested in a state where we can live out our lives in harmony without fear of prosecution. This helps tremendously. Looks like NJ or RI for us.
DeleteAnonymous, thanks for sharing that. I would like to hear more about your relationship. Please contact me at fullmarriageequality at yahoo dot com or on Facebook at /fullmarriageequality
DeleteI am in a such a relationship, my husband, his brother and their cousin. We want to marry legally as their is quite a bit of money involved and it will all go for taxes if we don't get something done about it soon. That is why we are hoping to get our love legal soon, do you feel it will be far behind gay marriage?
ReplyDeleteThere's no telling for sure, but we're trying to make it happen sooner rather than later. I'd like to hear more about your relationship. Feel free to email me.
DeleteThank you so much, I've been looking for some information about all of this that isn't talking about 'rape'. I've just started being intimate with my father who I had only meet a head full of time through my life. I feel better knowing that their are people out there that understand the complex emotions that come with this kind of relationship.
ReplyDeleteYou're welcome! I'm so glad to help. Feel free to comment or send me email or contact me on Facebook. It is good to hear from you.
DeleteThank you for standing up for those who too often feel alone in their struggle. When I was younger I was separated from my half-sister for several years, as I was living with a relative, later I was reunited with my family, but due to problems the family was split again, and I was once again separated from her. I realized not long after that just how much I cared about her, having gone through quite a bit of hardship together. We've lived apart from each other only seeing one another every few months now due to a bit of distance and busy circumstance. I realize that she may not feel the same way about me so I've never told her how I feel. I do not wish to hurt her, and almost as much, I fear her resentment and rejection more than anything. Even if my passion doesn't bear fruit, I still want to thank you for fighting so that one day it may, and if not for me, at least somebody else. Living the way I have for the past ten years, I wouldn't wish the loneliness on anybody, and if anybody does have somebody who mutually shares their feelings I feel they should be allowed to be together.
ReplyDeleteThank you for your kind words, and more importantly, sharing your situation. You can't go on like this. You need to either talk with her (even print out my page on Genetic Sexual Attraction to show her) or get some help for how to deal with you feelings.
DeleteI have a casual sexual relationship with my mother (I am 20 years old) and have had one for ten years and have never once had an issue with any regrets or psychological issues. We have always enjoyed the fun and pleasures involved with this relationship and only society has made feel any shame about it.
ReplyDeleteAnd despite how I'm "supposed" to feel about having a lesbian relationship with my mother, we still have the occasional meeting and still continue to love the bond between us. And quite frankly, through the idea of it being a society taboo has actually increased the height of pleasure between us.
This is a wonderful blog and I'm looking forward to reading more. Thank you.
You hav not mentioned how it all began and what is "casual sexual relationship".
DeleteI can't help but notice that you didn't respond to the last post from the girl who has been molested by her mother since she was 10 years old. I know most cases of incest are not abuse, but this is a perfect example of what can happen when family roles are blurred. Even if the relationship began at 18 and were totally consensual, it would still be an abuse of power. A parent's responsibility to their child is to nurture them as a parent, not as a lover.
ReplyDeleteI don't respond to every comment. If I recall corectly, that commenter also contacted me privately, which is probably why I didn't respond here. I agree that it is the responsibility of parents to raise their children to be independent adults, unless there is some disability that makes that impossible. "Grooming" them is abuse. However, we must take age of consent seriously. If an 18-year-old can consent to sex with the neighbor their parent's age they've known all their life, they can consent to sex with their own parent, provided there is not some mental illness or developmental delay that precludes them from being able to consent to sex with anyone.
DeleteQuestion: What is the worst thing the state/government or the law can do to two consenting people if the make an attempt to get legally/officially married? Silly as it may be or sound but would they come in a like stop the wedding or something and take them to jail? Could they come to the couples home and arrest them if they were told on? It's hard to understand how this could be a crime when it's not hurting anyone (the same with same sex marriage.
ReplyDeleteNot only are consanguinamorous couples denied recognition of their marriages when it comes to taxes and insurance and so many other important matters, but if they have obtained a marriage license somehow, they could be criminally prosecuted for that. In many places, they could be, and are, criminally prosecuted for habing sex. A few US states criminalize sex between first cousins even though they can legally marry in about half of the states. For the most part, sex between anyone closer than first cousins is criminalized. There are a few US states that are more progressive than that. Read through some of the cases of prosecution in the US and other countries: http://marriage-equality.blogspot.com/search/label/prosecution
DeleteI'm really happy this exist! I was fighting for people to understand that incest =/= abuse for a long time now, and having this serious site explaining everything is very hepful. Keep doing the good work.
ReplyDeleteHello everyone. :)
ReplyDeleteI want to be a good ally of incest, so if anyone wants to add me on Facebook, you can feel free to do so. ^_^
My name is Matthew Stephen Hyder, and in for whatever reason you see multiple accounts with my name, I'm the guy with short black hair and glasses whose into anime/rpgs. :p
Here's a link.
https://www.facebook.com/MatthewHyder
When my step-father was diagnosed with cancer my mother and I became very close. It was a very dark, and lonely time for my mother, and we ended up becoming intimate with one another. It started out casually enough, but quickly lead to us becoming lovers. When my step-father lost his battle with cancer we lived together in a monogamous relationship for about five years until some family became suspicious about the nature of our relationship, and we decided to live apart. My mother and I have no regrets about becoming lovers, but as you can well imagine it hasn't been easy since I have younger siblings. We are still together today, and most of my siblings and family live out of state, so although we have decided not to live together for abvious reasons, we frequently alternate staying at each others places during the work week.
ReplyDeleteThank you, Amonymous, for sharing that beautiful account. Congrats on your love. Please contact me at fullmarriageequality at yahoo dot com
DeleteAlways mention how it began,who took the initiative and how it has enhanced the bond.It will help others instead of starting another thread on guidance.
DeleteCongratulations on your relationship with your mother I too am involved in such a relationship and have nothing but good things to say about it. Would you like to chat where can I message you more privately
DeleteHey new Anonymous, if you haven't done so already, write me at fullmarriageequality at Protonmail dot com
DeleteI believe that we should be able to live our lives the way we want. If two people want to be together,there should be no law to stop them. I'm involved with a close relative and I don't care who knows or have negative thoughts about us. I can't live my life based on what people think is right or wrong. As long as I'm not hurting anyone, Im not doing anything wrong.
ReplyDeleteBy being in a relationship with a relative, I can understand what gay couples had to go through to be together. I can tell you from experience, it's worth the fight and struggle. Very soon, I hope people will be able to understand what we must go through just to be together.
Anonymous, thanks for commenting and congratulations on your love. If you haven't done so already, please write me via email at fullmarriageequality at yahoo dot com as I'd like to stay in touch.
DeleteI love my sister, this feeling for years for fear of the reaction of my family. when two people in love should not have agreed disabilities. the biggest problem I find that society is not allowed to have their own children.
ReplyDeleteI don't know how I find myself here, however I am glad I did as it's been a really interesting read.
ReplyDeleteI've been left considering how I would feel if a couple I knew were revealed as being a brother and sister or father and daughter, mother and son etc. As long as they were happy, I can't see that I'd have a problem with it at all.
It is really disappointing that the paedophile mother (highlighted on the comments above) did not prompt an open and appropriate response from whoever is running this site.
That's alarming - this should have been picked up with the relevant authorities (that isn't what you'd define as 'GSA'...That child has been groomed by a dangerous sex offender).
Thanks for your support of consenting adults.
DeleteRegarding the comment that was disturbing...
I don't respond to every comment. If I recall corectly, that commenter also contacted me privately, which is probably why I didn't respond here. I agree that it is the responsibility of parents to raise their children to be independent adults, unless there is some disability that makes that impossible. "Grooming" them is abuse. However, we must take age of consent seriously. If an 18-year-old can consent to sex with the neighbor their parent's age they've known all their life, they can consent to sex with their own parent, provided there is not some mental illness or developmental delay that precludes them from being able to consent to sex with anyone.
I disagree. the mental charge and sexual charge present from the taboo and what i know goes WELL BEYOND any mere taboo or mere mental understanding of the situation (after all people again and again and again mention how the orgasms are by FAR the most intense and erotic of their lives and nothing else compares to them this is far from some kink based thing i think.) makes it so that its a lopsided sexual and emotional involvement. meaning that whereas otherwise you would have the wrest of your senses and mental calculus available, in such situation your lymbic systema and your deeper instinctual reactions utterly hijack the wrest of your brain. this is also true of drugs and the INTENSE pleasure that things like methemphytamines or heroin can bring on (not talkiing about all drugs).
DeleteConsent is taken our of the picture in a way because you are already being 'drugged' by whatever internal mechanicsms there are to make you cling onto.
Im not saying we should make it illegal either. because thats going too far and punishing people for often, what may be quite out of their control. my problem (not a judgement) is that we are trying to 'normalise' something as healthy that may well not be at all.
people should be allowed to do whatever drugs they can also. yet the harmful ones, represent a clear danger and a 'dark side' i think. i may be wrong though.
I had a sexual encounter with my first cousin and we continued to talk even after I began dating my current boyfriend. I felt guilty and told my boyfriend everything and he forgave me but forbid me from talking to my cousin ever again and says that he will beat up my cousin if he ever sees him. It now makes it hard to have family events because I have to ignore my cousin and I can't bring my boyfriend to meet my family for fear of a fight breaking out. And my cousin's older brother now knows about our sexual encounter and is trying to blackmail me into doing sexual things with him as well. He will harass me by sending me dick pics and begging for me to pleasure him or show him my body. I caved in once and sent him a picture of myself and immediately regretted it. Im now afraid that this older cousin will tell our family about my sexual relationships with both of my cousins and I'm worried that my boyfriend will find out about the older cousin's harassment and the one time I caved in. I don't know how to handle any of this and I'm afraid I'll never be able to go to a family event ever again without being sexually harassed or abused, afraid of being outed, or causing a fight.
ReplyDeleteDo you have any advice?? I really need help dealing with this situation.
Yes. Arrange things so that your boyfriend and your older cousin beat the crap out of each other and both get arrested.
DeleteBut seriously, it sounds like you should dump your boyfriend, unless what really went on with your younger cousin was him assaulting you, in which case you should tell your family and if he's still at family events you should avoid those event. If what went on between you and your younger cousin was truly consensual, then like I said, dump your boyfriend because he's dangerous. Also, avoid your older cousin and shun him. If he keeps harassing you, find out if the state or province/territory you reside in has (cyber)stalking laws you can use against him and consider filing a restraining order. The one caution I have is that if you've had sex with your "first" cousin (your parent's sibling's child) that can be illegal in some places, whereas other places will let first cousins marry. If it is illegal where you are, your older cousin will likely use that against you in retaliation.
I think you made a very good point when you mention how people say that incest is a sin and it's against the law but yet, adultery is a sin and it's not even against the law. It looks like you have the best of both world. You have someone who is your dad and your lover at the same time. I actually like that term, "double-love." If I may add a sense of humor to my comment, you and your dad are basically, father and daughter with benefits. I wish nothing but the best for the both of you.
ReplyDeleteSomebody told me about this blog and I have to see it for myself to believe it. It's actually real. What really grab my attention was the video from Jane Doe. She did such a marvelous job on explaining about the myths of incest. The word "consanguinamory" is so much of a better term than incest. I hate the word, "incest," cause there's so much hate and prejudice behind that word. I can relate to the video cause I am also in a sexual romantic relationship with my dad. I am so deeply in love with him. He makes me feels like I'm the most beautiful woman in the world. My dad is the most loving, caring, and affectionate person that I know. He raised me as a single father after my mother left us both for some guy. We both have been in other relationships but none of it works out for us. The fact that we're father and daughter makes it so much easier for us both to love each other. I have more chemistry with my dad than any other men. I don't think I can ever go back to a non-consanguinamory relationship. I like the closeness that I have with my dad. The bond is unique and special. What we have is a beautiful thing. Our relationship doesn't feels like incest to me, it feels like "love" to me. After 3 and a half of years of being together, we've decided to have a baby and I just recently found out that I'm pregnant with twins. I am so happy for us to start our life together. We lived on the other side of the world away from our family and friends where nobody has a clue of who we are. Love do have a face and surprisingly, it turns out to be my dad. I don't have any regrets cause I finally found my soul mate and he was in my life this whole time.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous, congratulations on your love and your pregnancy. I glad my blog is helpful. I'd like to keep in touch. Please email me at Fullmarriageequality at yahoo dot com
DeleteI'm a female asexual and deeply in love with with my sister, and we've honestly never had any problems with it. Since we can't have kids either, it's pretty comfortable for both of us (she's always wanted to adopt one, anyway). We were twins separated at birth because my family couldn't afford a nice life for two kids, and after all these years I met her, became friends, and finally confessed. Nothing's changed, and it was never anything forced between the two of us. We loved each other because we understood one another in a way nobody else quite could. Thank you for advocating for people like us, and a happy new year to you!
ReplyDeleteCongrats on your love and thanks for your kind words. I'd like to hear more from you. You can write to me at fullmarriageequality at yahoo dot com
DeleteI am a 51 year old male in love with my mother. I have had an sexual attraction to hear for most of my life. My gratist regret is not atleast asking her yers ago. I think there was a time she may have sed yes.
ReplyDeleteMinul oli ka suur armastus emaga.Olin 19.aastane kui emaga vahekorras olin ja see kestis peaaegu aasta aega.Siis võtsin omale naise ja abiellusin ning kolisin riigi teise otsa.20.aastat hiljem olin ema juubeli sünnipäeval suures restoranis,ning sealt öösel koju jalutades läbi parkmetsa,kus oli üks jalgepuhkamise koht iste pinkidega.Istusime seal ja meenutasime möödunud aegu,kui äkki tuli tahtmine seksida.Rahvast pole öösel liikunud ning me olime üle hulga aega seal muru peal jälle vahekorras.Meie vahel on ikka väga suur kiindumus ja armastus.Ma ei saa aru miks niisugust elu loetakse verepilastuseks,mitte ei saa aru.
ReplyDeleteVäga hea kui inimesed üksteist armastavad.Kas seda nüüd verepilastuseks lugeda,ma ei usu,te olite juba täisealine kui alustasite vahekorda oma emaga.Kui vana sinu ema oli siis paarkümmend aastat hiljem ja nii hoos veel vahekorras olema,et koduni pole enam kannatanud.Ja lõpuks mis ütleb teie abikaasa selle kohta. Olen ka psüholoogia alal töötanud pensionär.Kõike paremat MARIAN
ReplyDeleteI just want to thank you for this blog. I found it as a teenager by coincidence and had never really considered or even known about consangiunamorous or polyamorous relationships. Your level-headed, evidence-based approach to these topics quickly made me a supporter of any and all consensual adult relationships. Also, because I've experienced GSA in the past, it made me feel a lot better about myself, too. Keep up the awesome work!
ReplyDeleteEs lohnt sich, von Ihrem Konto des Inzests zu erzählen. Ich empfehle, Geschichten mit anderen zu teilen!
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