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Polyamory and Polygamy
Not as many people are familiar with the term “polyamory,” or if they have heard about it, they might have a misconception about it. The general definition of polyamory is having a romantic, dating, courting, or marital relationship or engaging in sex with more than one person (not necessarily together), under agreement by all (not cheating). Polyamory and monogamy are alternatives to each other.
Polyamory can involve heterosexuals, gays, lesbians, bisexuals, or people of any sexual orientation, and any gender. So, it could be a man and two women, two men and one woman, three men, three women, etc.
I consider polygamy to be any form of married polyamory, though some polyamorists bristle at the association with polygamy or don’t want official marriages involved in their relationships, and some polygamists bristle at the association with polyamory. Polygamy doesn’t have to mean one man and multiple women (polygyny.) It could mean polyandry (one woman, multiple men), or three or more men, or three or more women, or multiple men and multiple women.
Some people confuse polyamory with cheating, or think it is synonymous with open relationships/marriages, swinging, or swapping. However, cheating is engaging in sex, dating, or romance with someone in a way that violates a prior, existing commitment to, or condition with, another. Not everyone has the same vows or agreements. For example, it is not cheating for a wife to take on another lover alone if her spouse has agreed to it, even if she doesn’t tell her spouse when it happens, as long as that was the agreement between the spouses. An open relationship or marriage is one that is not closed to new participants, whether they are short term or long term participants. Some polyamorists are in closed relationships, some are in open relationships. Swinging is when an established couple, triad, quad, etc. participates as a couple or group in encounters with other couples or groups. It can be a form of polyamory but not all polyamory involves swinging. Swapping usually means when one couple swaps partners with another couple, whether for one time or on an ongoing basis. There are many forms of nonmonogamy, some ethical, some not. Polyamory is an ethical form of nonmonogamy. Polyamory, swinging, swapping, threesomes, open relationships, etc. are all forms of what is called ethical nonmonogamy, disclosed nonmonogamy, or consensual nonmonogamy.
The most simple form of polyamory is a “V” in which the person at the angle of the V has two partners, but the people at the ends of the V don’t interact with each other or spend time at the same time with the person who is seeing both of them. There are triangles (triads) in which all three people see each other, either one-on-one or all at the same time. There are “N” relationships, and many other forms of polyamory.
Polyamory does not necessarily mean having more than one sexual partner. It could mean spending time together in other ways normally associated with dating, or living together. It could mean that someone who is into BDSM but has a sexual partner who isn’t has a BDSM partner with whom they do not have sex. When polyamory does involve sex, different people have different agreements. Here are just a few…
“We can each have (insert number here) other partners under theses conditions…” (condom usage, gender, etc.)
“I don't want to know about it.”
“I want to know about it.”
“I want to know all of the details.”
“I get to watch.”
“I want to be with you at the same time.”
“I want to be with both of you.”
"We will all be spouses."
You get the idea. The possibilities are almost endless.
That someone is a polyamorist in no way means that they will have sex with anyone and everyone.
Some polyamorists see themselves as necessarily part of the LGBT (“LGBTP”) civil rights movement, not because LGBT aren’t monogamous (many are), but because every polyamorous relationship involves at least one same-gender relationship, even if only as a metamour.
Equality in relationship rights and marriage necessitates that consensual polyamory and polygamy not only be legalized, but protected from discrimination and persecution. Current inequality in the law is harmful. For example, in the US, is legal for people to have a different sexual partner (or several) every day, have children with multiple other partners, and (in most places) live with multiple partners, but it isn’t legal to be married to more than one at the same time. A man can have children with five different women, but can’t be legally married to more than one of those women at the same time, even if all are agreeable. What kind of sense is that?
Some people are polyamorous as part of their identity, and can’t be monogamous no matter how much they are punished (loss of marriage, loss of money, loss of employment, bullying, etc.) As long as they are with consenting adults, why should their relationships be denied equal treatment? With full marriage equality, fewer people will enter into what it supposed to be a monogamous relationship under pressure to be in the closet, and then hurt the other person.
Most people are not lifelong monogamists. Why it is better to have causal sex with a different person every few weeks or months, or get married and divorced over and over again, with or without affairs on the side, than to have honest polyamory and polygamy? If someone wants or needs monogamy, they should be free to have it; if someone wants or needs polyamory, they should be free to have it. People should be free to choose the relationships in which they will best function.
There are some common objections to the polygamous freedom to marry, and these common objections don’t stand up to scrutiny. See my Discredited Arguments page and my blog entry Lies and Damned Lies About Polygamy.
You can see all most blog entries on polyamory here, all of my blog entries on polygyny here, and all of my blog entries on polyandry here.
Women should be free to choose to be in a polygynous marriage as long as they are as free as men to not marry and to divorce, as long as women are just as free to marry another woman, multiple women, multiple men, or men and women. An adult, regardless of gender, sexual orientation, race, or religion, should be free to share love, sex, residence, and marriage with any and all consenting adults.
How Nonmonogamists Can Protect Themselves
UPDATE: The diagram above was updated. Here's the updated version.
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That image is fantastic!
ReplyDeleteGreat idea, I am legally married to 3 men. It is in 2 different countries and I hope with marriage equality I can finally get my 2 other husbands immigrated to the US.
ReplyDeleteMay it be so, soon!
DeleteHow clever.
DeleteSounds like an insidious way to infiltrate a country with a fundamentalist army, one 'soldier' at a time - hiding behind a woman and a fake banner of relationship status.
Let's see, 20 -40 women, all claiming to be 'married' to 3 men each - that's what, 60 - 120 foreigners all slipping suddenly into the country under the legal guise of 'relationship'. Then what? Next stop, a gun shop?
Sorry, but I'm not buying it. Polyamory is an excuse for destroying and manipulating. May they all vanish off the face of the earth for their crimes against humanity.
I would love to may both of my partners. They are married legally and I wish I could of joined them but I can. Were paying in have a hand gazing sub the 3 of those. Of anyone asks I was class myself as marked to them and we will be so changing our surnames.
Deletehi anonymous if you like 1 more husband i am single tdasonwrva@gmail.com
DeleteRidiculous how cheating is acceptable but having more than 1 consenting partners by marriage is disgusting
ReplyDeleteYes, in most places there is no legal penalty whatsoever for cheating on your spouse, but it is illegal for your spouse, you, or both of you to get marriage paperwork with the other person. Go figure.
DeleteI am a 40 year old woman from India, in a relationship, with the most loving man i have ever known, who is married. His wife knows about our relationship. I and my partner consider our relationship as equal as any marriage. with the same commitments and the same shared goals. Though his wife still finds it difficult to accept this relationship in all its hues, i and my partner are hopeful that she feels comfortable with this soon enough. Our struggle to get her comfortable with this arrangement is on... we hope that one day we all live happily together under one roof.
ReplyDeleteI´m sure she´ll be so happy if you two get to marry. No, really - nobody takes interests in that woman feelings? Tell your man to divorce her, so at least she won´t suffer. Selfish - that´s what you are.
DeleteHi u r a lucky lady &ablessed one Ipray that u ,ur friend &his wife all sleep not only under one roof but on the same bed all cuddled together &may u both ladies have full orgasm. spread this message of love in humans as humanity needs more of love than anything else .In india it is a new concept .Iwish i too were with u all &we share the one ness of soul through our bodies with the sacred act of sex .wishing u all a blissful sex full of orgasm.
DeleteVery easy to say but very hard to take. Polyamory is modern concept. Your man
ReplyDeleteWill get jealous and will be burning with rage when you suggest 'what is good for the goose is good for the Ganda' will he allow his wife to have a male friend as well. If you don't have a husband get her some one she would like.
I am Indian male living abroad and know female needs companion as well. Your
Man is selfish. New younger generations of Indians are very advanced and always
Take care of wives needs as well. If they have got some one's wife they know
Her husband has got your wife as well. Both are happy families.
There are already a number of men who are totally fine with their wives having other men.
DeleteI'm sort of kind of in this line of thought, though I can't quite wrap my head around sharing emotional attachment.
For me there are 3 of us. In a completely equal relationship. Mostly known as a throuple or Triad. Basically the 3 of us are quite happy in puppy pile watching movies.
DeleteWe have no problem with one spending time with the other, or all 3 of us together. I'm disabled so I get the bonus of having to carers so it isn't all on 1 of them. We have our own in built support network.
The very nature of polyamory is also communication. I've been in several monogamous relationships and I've gotten jealous in every single one. Back then I couldn't understand polyamory and thought my head would implode... But now, no jealousy. Im not saying every poly relationship will be without jealousy but when managing more than 1 sweety of feelings there is a greater importance on really talking. Not just ignoring little problems the second a tiny problem arrises we pull it out, dissect it, and work towards fixing it. Some times that's 10 minutes. Some times its a longer goal.
Tiny niggles people ignore are what become the bigger issues. Stamp them out. I don't know why, maybe bad luck. I tried this in my last relationships but whilst I was open the other partner would ignore problems until they are insane and not fixable. What frustrates me is thanks to some odd autistic tendencies I'm ridiculously good at learning sometimes body language. It doesn't always work but I pick up on little tells quickly. This seemed to annoy an ex of mine who preferred to pretend everything was fine even when I knew something was up. Then he explode a month later and I'm sat there thinking... Why didn't you just bring this up...?
I feel happy and safe for the first time since I was about.... 5 years old.
I wish the 3 of us could marry, every time I fill out forms with the dwp for DLA I have to tell them I'm single as you can't be in a relationship with a married couple. I hate it. A few times I've even told them the lot and they say I'll put you down as single.
Heck. Even Facebook took away the ability to have more than 2 in a relationship. What change do I have getting anything else to accept it.
I like the blog but there is one point I would like to call out. I do not agree that, "Polyamory and monogamy are alternatives to each other." Monogamy is being married to one person at a time. -gamy suffix denotes marriage, -amory suffix denotes romantic affection or love. It is entirely possible to be monogamous and polyamorous at the same time. I.E. I am monogamous because I am only married to one person but I am also polyamorous because I am romantically involved with two people at the same time.
ReplyDeleteI like the blog but I disagree with your statement that, "Polyamory and monogamy are alternatives to each other." Sorry for the grammar lesson but -gamy suffix signifies marriage, -amory suffix signifies romantic feelings or love. It is entirely possible to be both monogamous and polyamorous, Case in point, I am monogamous because I am only married to one person but I am also polyamorous because I have a romantic relationship with more than one person.
ReplyDeleteThanks, Nicereb. Most people use the term "monogamy" today regardless of marriage, that is why I explain it the way I do. I do not disagree with your statement about yourself, but for most people, these things will take explanation. I have been trying to reclaim "polygamy" as "married form of polyamory" in the face of so many people who use it to mean "religion-based polygyny" so I appreciate you bringing up the precise denotation of monogamy.
DeleteThank you so much for the insight! My wife and I are new to the Poly community and appreciate the work put into your article :)
ReplyDeleteI feel like the terms use can be defined in this manner because they are relationship statuses, not person states of being. Its what kind of relationship you have not who you are attracted to. No one is truly monoamorous, but if you are monogamous you are only in the one on one romantic relationship. Otherwise you are some form of poly.
ReplyDeleteI am a 60 year old woman, married 30 years. From the time I was 15 I have tended to have multiple relationships. They did not always manifest as relationships involving The Sex Act but they were in a flurry of quasi romantic and sexual vibes. At various times throughout the 40 years to come, I would attempt to divulge my capacity to be "in love" with more than one man at a time. These loves were often long--several lasting 20+ years, and for the most part were not what you would call "flings," not by any stretch. I found that if I "told" men my capacity, they would almost invariably struggle with jealousy. After zillions of hours contemplating various aspects of this conundrum I decided to keep mum and not ruin everything by blabbing about it. I never enjoyed lying but I did and do love love, and found that this jealousy issue troubled men so much that it really wasn't "worth it." I compartmentalized relationships (and still do, though must say, my libido is almost nil at this point.) I have had 15 what-you-could-call "soul marriages"--in which the deepest intimacy characterized the relationships. Usually I have had three important love relationships simultaneously. Anyone would consider me a terrible "cheater." I have no idea today whether this is or was a compulsive yearning or a "healthy" romantic proclivity. What I do know is that during the past 25 years, after having stopped talking about it to almost anyone, I have managed to keep my marriage a happy one; I have discovered many qualities in the men I have loved which I know would not have been possible were it not for at least some sexual activity; I have had really beautiful and profound--poetical, in fact--emotionally intimate relationships. I am telling this because the rule of thumb which most everyone seems to want to live by is disclosure. I do not believe in unequivocal disclosure. Rather, I believe in being discreet. I know the people in this forum will want to "stone me" for this, but I think non-disclosure and discretion deserve to be a part of this conversation. Are we not also entitled (with all this effort at laying claim to our entitlements to marriage and equality in relationships) are we not also deserving of privacy? Whenever I have tried to tell anyone about this position, I have felt I politicized something which would melt in the sun of publicity. I don't want these relationships made public to a public who would rather burn a woman like me at the stake than to understand. I don't stop loving a man because he is too possessive to handle my multiple relationships. I understand it. Maybe I would feel possessive too, if a man I loved had multiple relationships (they rarely do. It's usually "just" moi.)
ReplyDeleteAnonymous, thanks for sharing that. It would probably be easier today to find men who'd agree to "don't ask, don't tell" as the policy.
DeleteWhile I won't endorse cheating per se (and I personally don't want to be in a long term relationship unless I've met the metamour(s) and know that everything is cool), I do note a couple of things:
1) If someone never explicitly asks for a pledge of monogamy, then I don't see nondisclosure of nonmonogamy to be the same thing as lying & cheating. Communication is not just telling. It is asking, too, and for people to assume monogamy is a mistake and while I do volunteer that I am polyamorous, I don't think we're obligated to cater to the assumption of monogamy.
2) Your lovers (sexual or not) have received what they were looking for, correct? I would ask them, what is more important - that you loved her as she was, or that you knew all of the details as to why she was the way she was? In other words, if you weren't "shortchanging" or neglecting any of them, or trying to pull one over on them ("I'm pregnant, and it is yours") and they were happy, then I would ask them, if they would be upset to know there were other men, how exactly they felt their relationship with you suffered because of your other relationships.
You seem to have lived an interesting life, but you must be kidding yourself if you think while you were sleeping with multiple men, they weren't doing the same without telling you.
DeleteI mean it's nice that you were able to put yourself in that happy place in your head, but it sounds like your ego was sufficiently stroked by them "don't ask, don't tell" ing you right back. Trust me, if it was never discussed you might as well just assume everybody was having some fun.
enjoyed reading the write-up.
ReplyDeleteI am an Indian, male, in my early 40s, in a marriage for around 10 yrs. I am keen to enter into a polyamorous setup,... but am unable to because, firstly - & critically - my wife wouldn't allow it (far as I can make out, she does say "Go ahead" at time, but these I suspect are frivolous statements .. she does not mean it I reckon). Secondly, I have a young kid.. and society is so damn hypocritical ..they wont say much when they hear about people cheating, but will pounce on you if they hear of such stuff - and it is usually the kids who suffer most.
Wondering why the hell society has to place shackles on us.
I am a twenty something year old. From the "bible belt" states yet I have found myself somewhere odd.I maybe too young to say this, but I'm finding myself much too comfortable in a triad to run out and "try" for a relationship. Now let me clear up something. I have had several long relationships and several that would more likely to be called flings. Not to say anything wrong about one on one. No one here is throwing stones nor do I believe that anyone has a right to throw stones at a personal belief. But it's come to a point where I am feeling more comfortable being with this person knowing that they were in a relationship when I stumbled in and the fact is I like her too. Not fully in a sexual way (I feel I'm in more of the heterosexual part of the sexuality spectrum.) But at the same time I feel close to her and want her to be more emotionally "mine" as well. Problem? Everyone brushes my feelings off because I knew him from before. He was my friend. My best friend in fact. They say I'm running into a "safe space" or that "I'm settling" by wanting to stay with him, don't want him vilianfied if I mention that he isn't leaving his girlfriend. I feel like I have to fight with people's ideas of me versus the real me when its one on one due to the fact that we all change to fit our environment which includes people. In this triad I feel like we are figuring out each other in a space where it's fair game. No one can. Assume anything because we don't fully know if it's me/him/her/the situation/a combo and we are fine with it. It's like learning to play well with other's all over again, except you like all your playmates. It's an odd spot to be in because to be honest I think there is an assumption that someone has to be liked "best". That's a competition viewpoint, which has saturated our world. Competition modes in any other thing besides contests has failed why do we use it on the most complicated organic processes between people? It's odd when you pull away the emotional training and the cultural values and just look at it. It's not about who's "made for" this or that. It literally is about how people grow together as understanding intelligent beings that accept the fact that no one and nothing truely follow set patterns. There will be several odd ducks and that is how nature gives an edge to anything for survival and growth. And yet I have to convince a person who raised me and claims to understand me best that I'm okay with this.
ReplyDeleteBeing in a Triad for me is the most comfortable thing I've ever had. I get a few people saying when am I going to settle down as my 2 partners are married. I don't know how to explain even more that I am settled down. We are planning on having a hand fasting for the 3 of us and we are changing our surnames to the same. Luckily in the UK you don't need a marriage licence to be a Mrs. Its as close as we can get :) I wish you all the luck for your throuple.
DeleteI'm in an odd situation. I'm in love with two women who are involved with each other. And we, without realizing it, had all included me in it. We openly love each other. I liken it to a triangle with a line from each point meeting in the middle. And we want to be able to get married in the future if possible. And not Three marriages where I separately marry each and they marry each other or one at a time or anything like that. I mean the exact same time one the same piece of paper. And the thing is, we don't care about all the survivor stuff and tax breaks or any of that crap. We love each other and all have big smiles on our faces when we talk about a future together. But we live in the US, and they allow one guy to marry and divorce as many times as he wants, have babies with as many different women as he wants, cheat, have orgies and threesomes with whoever they want, have relations with a dozen random women every day without repeating, and none of it is illegal. But one man and two women want to marry each other and be faithful to each other and be a family and raise a family and not flaunt it or make a spectacle or anything, just be legally married and be a loving family, and THAT is considered illegal. I understand that people are afraid of opening up a possible can of worms and having people come up with more and more "out there" things they want to do, but People should at least be able to make their case, even if it is a one on one case by case basis.
ReplyDeleteI really do hope that one day they open up the idea. My hope is there is already a split between 'marriage' and 'civil partnership' created during the mission for equal marriage.
DeleteNow in the UK marriage is available to both. Civil partnerships are not open to straight individuals. Going through the court atm are a few couples who wish to marry with a civil partnership vs "traditional marriage" as a lot people don't like that is just the father on the certificate rather than the mother. I'm hoping... However this goes... Maybe, one day, it might give leave for people to try through civil partnership to have 3 people meeting each other.
I'm in a similar situation to you. There are 3 of us but don't want to marry 1 to 1 of something. The 3 of us want to be married to each other as the Triad we are.
I'm on disability, trying to rent a house at the moment is a nightmare. Finding a place for the 3 of us. Trying to explain that 2 bedrooms is enough as well be sleeping in one and the other will be a study. I keep getting emails back, this place isn't big enough as the second room is a single... No one will be sleeping in it lol! But if we mention polyamory they get confused. And government forms...
I put them down as my full-time careers one of whom doesn't work because I can't be alone for long stretches at random times. Tomorrow I could be wanting to bake cake. Next day I could have 50 of so seizure. Be semi paralysed and bed bound.
Posting my partner casters is cheaper than if I claimed a carer. Think £50 a week vs £15 an hour for a good few hours every single day... So I'm doing them a favour. However they just get confide by the idea that a married couple is looking after me yet I've listed them as 'partner' for relationship. Utterly confuses them!
hi i am david swm from canada i would love to get married to a polyandry women am open to any ethnic background and to be your 2nd 3rd or 10th husband email me i can send pics tdasonwrva@gmail.com
ReplyDeleteThank you for this. I'm a polyamorous woman, and I do a lot of work in countries were polygamy (polygyny) is commonly practiced (working in East Africa at the moment). I'm glad to find a source online that shows that these relationships can be healthy, loving, and nurturing, just like other forms of relationships. My only issue is that in these cultures polygyny is sort of taboo, not allowed to be married in the church, etc. leading to relationships that look much more like cheating than they do the original intent of multiple wives. I wonder in this case, when polygyny is accepted but not condoned, what can be done in terms of policy and awareness to create more open dialogue between partners? This is where I'm stuck.
ReplyDeleteI’m researching plural marriage for a project I am working on. I want to get in touch with people who are looking for a 2nd or 3rd wife, and want to hear their story! I’m new to this world, so I have a lot of questions and am just looking to understand better. If that interests you, please email me at Jennifer.c8787@gmail.com .
ReplyDeleteHi it was really a vry beautiful n insightful article....n i loved al the different comments left behind....Im 35 male frm india. my story is same as the fellow indian male....i want enter an polyamory relationship but im damn sure my wife wont agree to it....n wid the kid in the picture n the society pressure its difficult to live double life......im deeply in love wid another woman whoz also married....v both dont want to walk out of our marriages but v also want to b in a relationship.....the stress is just killing me....i hate to lie n hide things but i dont hv a choice....im not sure how long im gonna live a life like dis....at sme pt smethin has to cme to an end....jus dont knw wen n wat....but glad to knw tat dere r ppl out dere who think n believe in the same things as me....jus dont feel an odd one out...jus keepin my fingers crossed....
ReplyDeleteThese variations do not assist or help with stabilizing human love. This kind of setup as described in the leading article could be s vast spreader of some very nasty incurable diseases (condoms are NOT totally reliable).
ReplyDeleteyour comment on contraception is appreciated in a general sense but smearing polyamory with sexual disease reminds me of those who discriminate gays with aids
ReplyDeleteI'm a twenty year old who has very recently discovered that I am polyamorous. Since about 14, I have always had multiple (unofficially bf/gf) very intimate and long-term relationships. To the extent where we tell eachother we love one another and fufill roles as if we were couples. However I was always reluctant to enter into a relationship with any one of them because it never seemed fair to choose between those I love or hurting one of them by being with another man at the same time. Flash forward to last week when I truly connected with the term polyamory(i knew it existed but didnt fully realize it as me). Everything shifted slighlty to the right. It was as if id been teetering on the edge of my true place in life and now im finally there. It hurts my heart to see all of the mean comments and know that we wont be accepted by a mojority of society for times to come. But I am also incredibly excited to start into the journey of my life.
ReplyDeleteHi, my husband and I are both black age 28, have our own apartment and looking for a Sister Wife to complete our family. We have two bueatiful children 7(girl) and 16months(boy). We are looking for someone to bond with us together and individually. My husband works as a remote recuiter, while I take care of the home. In the process of saving for a house. We are located in Long Island, NY. Looking for a female around our age or a little older to help build a wonderful life with. Please email us at IntriguedPassion@gmail.com
ReplyDeleteI'm sorry but the Church of Jesus Christ of latter-day Saints does not tolerate any kind of plural marriages, what you mention above are the excommunicado's who still practice plural marriage because of the commandment that are ancestors have. September 1890, the church publicly declare that the Latter-day Saints refrain from contacting any marriage bidden by the law of the land. And we are encourage to not be called by the nickname "mormon" but by its full name The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. For more information visit churchofjesuschrist.org
ReplyDeletePolyamory relationships would never work long-time as there are certain reasons behind it.
ReplyDelete