This answer is addressing consensual incest, in which I include, in addition to adults, minors who four years or less apart in age when force or coercion are not used. This is what I call “consanguinamory” or consanguineous sex. This answer is not about child molestation, sexual assault, or rape.
The question is asked various ways:
How common is consensual incest?
How common in consanguinamory?
How common is sibling sex?
How common is family sex?
I will also address:
How common are dreams of incest?
How common are incest fantasies?
How common are thoughts of incest?
I’ve already made it clear I’m talking about consensual sex. But there’s another part of the definition of incest that needs to be determined: what relations are considered incestuous ones?
If we include first cousins, then incest is very common. It some cultures, marriages between first cousins are very common. About half of US states will marry first cousins (currently, most of those states don’t marry same-sex couples, so mostly we are talking about heterosexual relationships).
Including step-relations (stepsiblings, for example) or adopted relations, as some anti-incest laws do, then again, incest is very common.
But even if we only include half or full-blooded siblings, parents and their adult children, grandparents and their adult grandchildren, and aunt/uncles and nieces/nephews, incest is common enough that everyone knows someone who has been involved in incest, especially if we include people experiencing Genetic Sexual Attraction (the meaning of which includes the fact that they were not raised with or by each other).
As I said in the short answer, nobody knows for sure. Ridiculous laws against consensual incest along with other forms of discrimination, prejudice, ignorance, bullying, and ridicule don’t exactly foster an atmosphere of open and honest discussion or reliable research. If we rely on such things as…
personal responses to surveys…which are likely to have underreporting even if anonymous
DNA tests…which are not performed on everyone, nor always checked for indications of consanguinity
criminal cases…which only involve a very small minority of relationships
family records and oral history…which are likely to hide incestuous ancestry even if it was known, which it often wasn’t
…we’re still not going to know about everything. Still, what we have seen indicates that a sizable minority of the population has participated in consanguinamory, and many more have thought about or fantasized about it. If you have entertained thoughts about having a threesome with twins or other siblings, or with a parent and their adult child, you have thought about incest. Internet searches and traffic, online discussion and chat areas, and erotica (see Literotica.com and the "Taboo" movie series) or adult media publication and usage indicate a high level of interest. Histories, biographies, mythologies, and fiction of all kinds, in movies and books and more, from years past through today also contain tales of consensual incest.
Youthful crushes, infatuations, fantasies, and exploration may just be a passing phase, or may develop into a lifelong spousal-style relationship, or fall anywhere between those two ends of the spectrum. While many children play doctor or games that lead to some experimentation, some people don’t have their first brush with consanguinamory until well into their adult years; even as elderly widows and widowers.
As far as incestuous dreams, it should be noted that sex or sexual attraction in dreams is sometimes representative of feeling close to someone or wanting to be closer or show love in some way. It isn’t always an indication of an actual sexual attraction, but sometimes it is.
Studies indicate that most people are attracted to people who look like themselves, which obviously includes close biological relatives more than anyone else. However, when any two people are raised together in the same family or group home, or one raises the other in such close quarters, related or not, something called the Westermarck Effect may suppress attraction to each other. This effect isn’t present in everyone, or isn’t present strongly enough to suppress attraction or curiosity in everyone. Also, close biological relatives who were not raised together (or one wasn’t raised by the other) wouldn’t experience this effect. On the contrary, the extremely powerful effect of Genetic Sexual Attraction is present in up to half of all reunions/introductions of post-pubescent close biological relatives (after adjusting for sexual orientation). With divorces, break-ups, one-night stands or other relationships in which parents their children or siblings may be separated, adoption, and egg, sperm, and embryo donations, this is becoming an increasing phenomenon in our highly mobile world.
Many people who have experienced Genetic Sexual Attraction, even those who are in lasting, happy consanguinamorous relationships together would have expressed disapproval or discomfort at the idea of consanguinamory before they experienced GSA. But just because one person is disgusted or insists they would never do such a thing doesn’t make it wrong for someone else, nor does it change the fact that does happen. As for consanguinamory between family members raised together or raised by each other, the convenience of proximity and privacy, and the existing foundations of trust and love may foster curious, fleeting exploration or deep and abiding passion.
None of this is to say that any one person should pursue a consanguinamorous relationship with another. Not everyone is right for everyone else at any given time in life. I have my own advice about making a decision about a possible relationship.
If someone in your family or one of your friends is in a consanguinamorous relationship and you are concerned, please read this.

Nice blog. You lay out the common arguments exceptionally well.
ReplyDeleteThis issue of Genetic Sexual Attraction, GSA, I find fascinating. Consider: How do you test for the difference between the craving for family that has not grown up together for a difference from a family that has grown up together. It seems that regular incest is also a craving, is no different in nature than the craving in GSA. It's all the same. There may be a difference, but how do you measure what is normal incest craving vs GSA incest craving, or is it simply a politically correct definition for a particular brand of incest?
So what do I attribute the craving to, whether GSA is involved or not? Simple: The difficult teen years of discovery and difficulty in getting along with hormones growing tends to mitigate any sexual feelings within the immediate family, while those separated before the teens do not go through this difficult time.
Now imagine if a young teen boy was fully cooperative and helpful to his mother; imagine of the terrible teens of a girl did not exist how this would affect the father; imagine the brother and sister who did not fight or struggle between them for their parents attentions. Get rid of those struggles, and I believe you will also find incest taking place among these close family members.
I believe that describes what is occurring with GSA better than the other theories I've seen. I call it Phaedrus' Theory of Incest, as I do not know of anyone else suggesting this reason.
What do you think?
Phaedrus T. Wolfe
Thanks for those thoughts, Wolfe. Legally speaking, it shouldn't matter whether something is Genetic Sexual Attraction or "Familial" Sexual Attraction. Sociologically, there is a difference because GSA has to do with NOT forming the sociological family bonds while a child. So when someone is experiencing GSA, they are not only dealing with sexual attraction but "Will be have that sibling (or parent/child) relationship or not?" With FSA, that relationship is already there.
DeleteThe distinction also matters to people experience GSA who want to discuss it and deal with the associated issues apart from those experiencing FSA, because of some of the different issues involved and the different public perception.
What we DO know is that most people are attracted to people like them. In addition, family in the same household often has trust, love, affection, proximity, convenience, shared interests, etc. So it should not be surprising that sexual relationships develop. There seems to be evidence that the Westermarck Effect is real, but it does not impact everyone, and perhaps some that it does effect "overcome" it through intense curiosity, love, or libido.
The sociological differences also matter when dealing with, say, breaking vows. For example, it should matter to a spouse who expects monogamy whether or not their spouse has an ongoing history of sexual bonding with a sibling who has always been in their lives and hid that from them, or if they have found a long-lost sibling and are suddenly experiencing GSA.
I have a question about dreams; maybe you can answer it. Growing up the only sexual dreams I really had were about my brother. I'm not interested in having a romantic or sexual relationship with anyone I'm related to. I'm wondering how common these type of dreams are in adolescence? My reason for asking is because I'm curious to find out if I had those dreams as part of the normal growing up process, or because I was obsessed with my brother as a child, while he hated me and treated me poorly. I was possibly seeking some kind of closeness to him subconsciously. Any input would be great.
ReplyDeleteSexual dreams don't necessarily mean you have an actual sexual desire for that person, although you did say that the only ones you had were about your brother, so perhaps there is something there you don't want to admit. OR... maybe he's the one person in your life to whom you wish you were closer and had a better relationship. From what you write, I'd say that is the more likely case.
DeleteIncestuous dreams are a normal part of the growing up process.
Very good blog with interesting facts.I just want to say that i worship my family(parents and siblings),they are dearer to me than my own life(not a joke).i personally do not think a sexual relationship between siblings(blood or half)or between parents and their offsprings is right.it shudnt be encouraged in any circumstances.im not saying they shud be put to death either(although i wud recommend it for those who rape or abuse anyone,family or not).
ReplyDeletei still havent made my mind entirely yet abt the whole subject of consensual incest but its really leaning towards a "maybe not,it isnt right"
my housemates are brothers and they have sex on a regular basis and i just wished they wud date other people and leave this behind as an experience.but apparently the sex is so readily available they dont even bother dating anybody.the older brother is suppose to be a role model for the younger one not having unprotected intercourse with him.
since they found out i know about them,they have become bold and for some reason i do not comprehend they have become louder than ever before.when i tried to have a serious conversation with him about the subject he cut me off and started talking about Dogtooth movie(which i watched and knew had incest in it).i just asked him to be quiet after midnight and that was it.i never actually got the chance to really ask him the questions tat was bugging me.the brothers have some difference in age and the older one initiated the whole thing,him being pubescent and the other one a pre-pubescent child at the time.so basically the younger one doesnt know anyone(in the biblical sense)except his brother.maybe he is just used to it and doesnt want to disappoint his brother by moving on,so it is unhealthy and unfair.how do u think priest have abused kids for years way into their adulthood,its just people give up and get used to it.imagine an old priest having sex with a heterosexual boy till he is in his mid-twenties and the latter doesnt even resist?is he enjoying it?does he find the priest attractive?NO!its his mind telling him this is "the norm",BUT ITS NOT!SOMETIMES WHAT WE THINK IS CONSENSUAL IS A COERCION TURNED INTO A "NORM".MOST OF THE TIME THERE IS AN INITIATOR AND THE OTHER ONE IS JUST A FOLLOWER.
i will be honest with you.i had what some people will call incest.since i was a child my cousin and i started "playing doctor" and eventually turned into sex.it went on way into our teenage years.but i admit that i initiated the thing!i was also a kid when it started but i did start the thing coz i was the older one.and guess what my cousin is straight!he had sex with me for years just becoz we fooled around as children.and if it wasnt for a fight we probably wud have had sex till now which wud be wrong!he didnt date a girl until we stopped having sex!what does that tell you?yes it was consensual... "normal" for a gay guy like me but unnatural for straight guy like him! did i unknowingly take years of his normal sexuality?MEA CULPA!do i wish someone had stopped us earlier?YES FOR HIS SAKE!
look i am a brown homosexual male who comes from a country where it is still illegal.i do want consensual sexual relationships among adults to be legal but this is the red line i think for me.the only other thing that is beyond this line is consensual cannibalism(paedophilia,bestiality,necrophilia being non-consensual but also despised by me).the rest no matter how weird it is if both parties are enjoying it then fair enough.
i favour the middle path,being extremely conservative is bad but so is extreme liberalism.
Thanks for sharing that with us. I caution against thinking someone had to be manipulated or coerced into enjoying sex with another adults. Just because it isn't something one person would like for themselves doesn't mean the other person couldn't have chosen it.
DeleteIm sorry i might not have explained myself clearly enough,i sincerely apologise.i said that when the relationship starts at a young age(at least one of the party is younger)the one initiating it is without knowing coercing the other into it.sometimes neither of them has the understanding of what it actually means.one is experimenting his sexuality and the other is through no fault of anyone, kind of the object used for that experimentation.one or both gets accustomed to it and the notion of incest just evades them.manipulation happens when one is in a position of authority over the other,like in the case of an adult(father,mother,priest,teacher etc) initiating sex with a minor.but when they are both minor,in many cases at least one of them still initiates it,he therefore is the one who unknowingly is starting something he has no idea where it'll lead.
Deleteincest or abuse doesnt have a fix manual i know that,each case has its own history behind it.but you cannot just refute the fact that things like this just doesnt happen.
a cardinal recently had to resign because he initiated sex with priest(& wud-be priests)and they were fully adults in their 20's.were they coerced?yes because they admit he was a bishop at that time and they were suppose to obey him.did they enjoy it?apparently not coz they divulge the truth even though they are not gonna gain anything out of it.
CAN I THINK THAT ONE PERSON CAN BE MANIPULATED OR COERCED INTO ENJOYING SEX WITH ANOTHER ADULT?YES IT IS ENTIRELY POSSIBLE,HISTORY PROVES IT.
JUST BECOZ IT ISNT SOMETHING ONE PERSON WUD LIKE FOR THEMSELVES DOESNT MEAN THE OTHER PERSON COUNDLT HAVE CHOSEN IT?YES HE COULD HAVE CHOSEN IT BUT ALSO NO HE COULD HAVE NOT CHOSEN IT AS WELL.
I AM NOT ARGUING FOR AS A PRO-SOMETHING OR ANTI-SOMETHING.IM JUST POINTING OUT THAT THINGS CAN HAPPEN EITHER WAY.IT VERY OFTEN DOES AND WE SHUDNT DISMISS IT.THE SPECTRUM OF INCEST AND ABUSE IS WIDE ! SOMETIMES ITS OK AND SOMETIMES ITS NOT.
JUST BECOZ ONE PERSON'S EXPERIENCE ABT INCEST WAS OK DOESNT MEAN THAT ALL OF THEM ARE.
I PERSONALLY AS AN INITIATOR OF "INCEST" AM TELLING YOU MY EXPERIENCE WAS NOT OK.I ENJOYED IT AS A GAY PERSON WHILE THE OTHER WAS MISSING OUT ON HIS HETEROSEXUALITY.THIS IS NOT RIGHT.I AM TELLING YOU THAT HE WUD PROBABLY HAVE CONTINUED IT FOR LONGER IF NOT FOR A FIGHT WE HAD,AND PROBABLY WUD STILL NOT HAVE DATED A WOMAN LIKE HE SHUD HAVE BEEN.IF I WAS IN A RELATIONSHIP LIKE THIS WITH A WOMAN I KNOW I WUD HAVE REGRETS OF MISSING OUT ON MEN!!!
I UNDERSTAND UR POINT ITS NOT WRONG ALWAYS BUT CAN BE IN CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES.I HOPE U SEE WHERE IM COMING FROM.