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Tuesday, February 27, 2018

Ignorance Hurts When it Comes to Consanguineous Impregnation

Sometimes, heterosexual consanguineous sex results in pregnancy. (I'm bumping up this entry from June 2011 because it is still relevant.)

Any pregnancy, especially first-time pregnancy, even if planned, can be a time of anxiety. But when someone suspects or knows that the their pregnancy is the result of sex with a close relative, the frequently repeated ignorance of the inevitability of the baby being deformed cause them extra concern. This is an addition to the concerns about prejudice against such families and unjust prosecution by law enforcement.

As an example, here’s a situation from someone posting at defunct Genetic Sexual Attraction forum…
I just found out that I am pregnant with my Half Brothers baby. We have the same Mother. So far we are not aware of any major health issues in the family. We are in a loving relationship with lots of support and very happy. This pregnancy was not at all planned and we are happy but very concerned. I am not looking for accusation or for people to tell me to abort. At this point I just need help on what kind of testing I need to get done to make sure everything is ok. should he and i get tested individually or just wait for the regular testing of the baby itself? any kind of information support advice help would be amazing.
thank you so much

ps. i am about 7 weeks along. I have a first ultra sound monday and the first dr appt tuesday. I live in the US would it be safe to tell the dr the situation to be sure that all the correct testing and precautions are taken?

There are several things to note. First of all, they are half-siblings. Considering that plenty of healthy children have been born to full siblings, that should lessen concerns. Secondly, they are not aware of any major health issues in the family. So things are looking good.

Looks like this child will be welcomed by a loving couple.

Brandi (a neonatal nurse)…
Firstly, congratulations! I hope you are feeling healthy. The ultrasound should be able to give you a general idea whether there are any deformities although it is still early, so hopefully as you progress you can get another ultrasound. It may also be possible to get an amniocentesis but I do not believe those are done until after the thirteenth week or so. The amnio would tell you whether there are any chromosomal abnormalities, and the sex of the baby, if you want to know that.

Later, she added…
I do not believe a doctor would report you if you told him about you and your brother. It may be the motivation he/she needs to be willing to do further testing. You can ask something like... "Off the record, if I were to tell you consanguinity is involved, would there be any repercussions..." I have never heard of anyone getting in trouble for that really.

Red.String.of.Fate…
I only know of one GSA couple, who had a baby.
They both got tested, to see if they have any genetic predispositions to abnormalities.
If they both would have shared the same genetic predisposition, there would have been a high chance of they're baby getting it, but still a chance it didn't. And after that they would have tested the baby.
But none of them had any, and the baby was born healthy.

I would seek legal counsel in cases like this to protect the family, seek progressive doctors, and always give them plausible deniability; if need be, move. See my advice here.

Pregnancy should be a happy time during which the mother is not given undue emotional concern. That happiness should not be denied to consanguinamorous parents.
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Monday, February 26, 2018

Solidarity is Needed to Advance Rights

While solidarity is needed for general relationship rights and full marriage equality, for this moment let's focus on the rights of consanguinamorous people to have their relationships and not be denied their freedom to marry. In many places, consanguinamorous people can be thrown in prison simply for having their relationships. Allies are essential to the cause of liberating the consanguinamorous.

In addition, though, there needs to be solidarity within the community.

What do I mean by that?

In my experience, when a consanguinamorous person seeks to connect with the community and be active within the community, and to work with journalists to raise awareness, it is more likely that they are someone who has experienced reunion GSA, rather than being someone who grew up with their partner(s).

If I had to guess why this is so, I think there are several factors at work. People who grew up with their partners, especially if their physical affection escalated gradually, usually "knew what they were getting into" and many have accepted that the discrimination, prejudices, taboos, and even criminalization were to be expected. Some have even embraced that, feeling like they are rebels or kinky. They take a certain thrill in being "naughty." Grew-up-with consanguinamorists might seek the community and advocacy if their initiation into consanguinamory comes well into adulthood as a sudden, and surprising, event, as that can be similar to reunion GSA situations in some ways. Another exception to this general situation is people who recognize they are consanguinamorous as an orientation.

In reunion GSA situations, in which the individuals didn't grow up together or weren't raised by one another, what is usually a sudden and overwhelming attraction usually takes them by complete surprise and the cruelty of prejudiced stigmas and discriminatory laws slaps them in the face with full force. I've found someone I love like nobody I've ever known before, we're passionate for each other and we belong together, why can't we be together like anybody else? Why can't we marry? That's what they're hit with. Until recently, they haven't socialized at all as family members. They almost never had time to contemplate growing feelings and affection and the discrimination against it, like the grew-up-with lovers usually did.
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Wednesday, February 21, 2018

Addressing a Discredited Attack on Consanguinamory Again

Do you follow this blog's sister Tumblr? There's all kinds of good stuff posted and shared there that doesn't make it to this blog. So if you haven't done so already, follow the Tumblr blog from your Tumblr account, or bookmark it in your browser.

In response to a couple of questions/asks, these two entries were posted in defense of consanguinamory.

http://fullmarriageequality.tumblr.com/post/171105805896/inbreeding-is-hella-real-and-causes-some-real-big


http://fullmarriageequality.tumblr.com/post/171108386106/if-inbreeding-is-the-problem-then-cis-same-sex

Many consaguinamorous relationships will never produce children. But like it or not, some do. Most of those children are healthy. You probably know some people with consanguineous parents even if you don't know their true genetic ancestry. You may have even admired such people as kind, intelligent, accomplished, or attractive. They may be your good neighbors, your helpful coworkers, your memorable teacher. They don't deserve bigoted ridicule.

You can reach me (Keith) through Tumblr, but you can also comment below (including anonymously) or email me at fullmarriageequality at protonmail dot com

Here are some entries here dealing with consanguinamory, reproduction, and parenting...

Consanguinamory and Reproduction

What Genealogists Know

For Consanguinamorists Considering Parenting

Living Consaguinamorously - What to Tell the Children
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Monday, February 19, 2018

Petitions for Civil Rights

Our friend Richard has three new petitions going and if you care about civil rights and equality, please add your support to them.
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Tuesday, February 13, 2018

Valentine's Day

Valentine's Day is here again. Many people will be getting married. Married people will be celebrating their anniversaries, or simply having a night out, as will other people hoping to get married someday, or maybe just enjoying being together in public.

If you are in such a situation, good for you and enjoy it.

Whether you are or not, take a moment to think about all of the people who can’t marry the person or person(s) they love, or can’t so much as hold hands in public without being accosted. Think about the people, consenting adults, who have to completely hide their relationships because they could be sent to prison for simply having sex in private. Think about the people who have to hide who they are because, where they live, they could be killed for being who they are. Think about the people who can’t accept gifts from their their lover(s) at work, or even a loving comment on their Facebook wall, because it would out them and get them fired.

This is what goes on because some people are being denied their rights to share sex, love, residence, and marriage. The US has had the limited monogamous same-gender freedom to marry nationwide, which was a great step forward, for years now, and it hasn't hurt anything. Other victories for that freedom to marry since February 14, 2017 have included...

Finland ...March 1, 2017
Osage Nation  ...March 20, 2017
Prairie Island Indian Community ...March 22, 2017
Falkland Islands ...April 29, 2017
Guernsey ...May 2, 2017
Ho-Chunk Nation of Wisconsin ...June 5, 2017
Faroe Islands ...July 1, 2017
Chiapas ...July 11, 2017
Puebla ...August 1, 2017
Tristan da Cunha ...August 4, 2017
Malta ...September 1, 2017
Germany ...October 1, 2017
Ak-Chin Indian Community ...October 25, 2017
Baja California ...November 3, 2017
Australia ...December 9, 2017
Saint Helena ...December 20, 2017



In most of the world, a man can’t marry both of the women he loves, despite both women being in favor of such a marriage.

The people in most of these interviews can't have legally recognized marriages anywhere in the world, with perhaps one or two exceptions, and we need full marriage equality before people like Linda, Melissa, and Matthew can tie the knot.

So enjoy Valentine's Day if you are able, but think for a moment about the people who will only be able to fully enjoy theirs when we have full marriage equality so that an adult, regardless of gender, sexual orientation, race, or religion, is free to share love, sex, residence, and marriage with any and all consenting adults without prosecution, persecution, or discrimination. Help make it happen sooner rather than later.


Do you have special plans? Or, if you're reading this after Valentine's Day, do you have anything special to report? If so, comment below. Remember, you can comment anonymously. Or, if you prefer, send Keith an email at fullmarriageequality at protonmail dot com
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Monday, February 12, 2018

We Get Letters From Haters

Poor "CB" was so angry and full of hate. This person tried posting comments to one of our most popular entries, which debunks myths about sibling consanguinamory. Unfortunately, CB either didn't bother to read instructions about comments or was too agitated to care.  We usually don't post hate-filled comments with words that aren't allowed on terrestrial broadcasts in the US. So we had to edit this bigot's comments, which is why they are being posted here instead of and the end of the entry.

Here's the first attempt...
Wow we need a new plague most of you are a bunch of sick f---s and should NOT BE PROCREATING because all you are causing are sever genetic deformities this post was like reading a post from a nazi trying to convince themselves and others what they are doing is normal and healthy.
Sigh. First CB calls for genocide. We all know that genocide is morally superior to letting consenting adults love each other, right?

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Wednesday, February 7, 2018

Consanguinamory and Family Dynamics

Jane takes a look at the myth that consanguinamory ruins family dynamics. Click through to go to her blog.
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Consanguinamoroflexible

Another one of Jane's recent blog entries is about flexibility in sexuality, especially in how it relates to consanguinamory. Go read it here. What we've seen is some people are consanguinamorous, some consang-flexible, some "bisang" and so on.
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Sunday, February 4, 2018

Decriminalizing Genetic Sexual Attraction

This is necessarily a long essay, and I apologize, but I’ve heard so many arguments before that I want to deal with them preemptively.

In many places, certain acts of affection between close genetic relatives are still a crime, regardless of all involved being consenting adults, regardless of their backgrounds. This includes when the adults have experienced Genetic Sexual Attraction (GSA).

The fact is there are people who are happy together, in every way, who were brought together through GSA. The main problem in the relationship is the discrimination, often codified in laws that include the possibility of criminal prosecution, against their relationship. There are other people who are experiencing GSA who, for any number of reasons, do not want their relationship to become sexual, or remain sexual if it has already become sexual. Both of these groups, and the other people who love them and depend on them, would benefit from decriminalization.

The first group would be free to live their lives.

The second group would be more able find effective help and support.

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Saturday, February 3, 2018

When You're Consanguinamorous But Single

Some people are consanguinamorous as an orientation, meaning they're primarily attracted to close relatives, much more than any attraction to others. Unfortunately, not everyone who has such an orientation is in a relationship. How does someone deal with this? Jane posted something to her blog exploring this.
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Thursday, February 1, 2018

Journalist Seeking GSA Couples

A journalist is looking for GSA couples. Here is what she requested I pass along...
Hi There,

My name is Candice and I write for the national magazines and newspapers, such as Take A Break, Chat, Daily Mirror, That's Life and New to name a few here in the UK.

I wondered if would be interested in speaking to me and sharing your story about genetic sexual attraction, whether it is something you have experienced or if you are in a relationship right now?

We love doing these types of stories and showing society that we should celebrate love, no matter what!

I'd like to reassure you that I'd never publish your story without your permission and you would receive a full read back to ensure you were completely happy with how it sounded. I am more than willing to work around you and your concerns.

You would have to be pictured for the article, and first names used. It would just be for UK mags so it wont be online or on any news outlets, the you is actually extremely slim. You will also be paid a fee by the magazine.

If you are interested, please email me on candice@hotspotmedia.co.uk.


Best wishes,

Candice
Emphasis mine.

On the positive side, she promises not to publish without your approval. On the negative side is having to be pictured for the article, which would more or less mean coming out. While people experiencing GSA need more visibility, the catch-22 is that coming out can be very risky. It's a decision that nobody else should make for you.

Journalists who want to make similar requests through this blog should read this.
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