A Swinging Family

We have another interview to bring you. 

People in consanguinamorous relationships are everywhere, though consanguinamorists tend to be closeted. Swingers area also everywhere, and many also tend to be somewhat closeted. Fortunately, some are willing to be interviewed for this blog. As a result, Full Marriage Equality has featured scores of exclusive interviews with lovers denied their rights. Most can’t even be out if the closet or they’ll gave prosecution under absurd incest laws, which, instead of focusing on abuse, also target consensual relationships.

The man interviewed below should be free to be with both women in his triad without having to hide from anyone, and without discrimination. They are consenting adults who aren’t hurting anyone; why should they have been denied their rights? In much of the world, they could be criminally prosecuted for their love, and might be persecuted severely in addition.

Read the interview below and see for yourself what this man has to say about the new, additional bond he and his wife have. You may think this relationship is interesting, or it might make you uncomfortable, or you might find it ideal, even highly erotic and romantic, but whatever your reaction, should lovers like these be denied equal access to marriage or any other rights simply because they love each other this way?

Also please note that someone you love, respect, and admire could be in a similar relationship right now. Should they be attacked and denied rights because of the "incest" label?

**WARNING: Brief, mild descriptions of sex are included.**

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FULL MARRIAGE EQUALITY: Describe yourself.

Mr. Jackson: I’m owner of multiple small stores in Florida. I’ll not dive in the things I work with, but I have a very easy and calm life, without any monetary problems. My wife and I are Brazilians, but we moved around eight years ago to the US for good. We have our daughter, single child, who just turned 24. We are all whites, and we live in South Florida.

FME: How would you describe your gender(s)? How would you describe your sexual orientation and your relationship orientation... are you heterosexual, bisexual, what? Are you nonmonogamous, polyamorous or....?

The three of us are bisexual. My wife and my daughter are more submissive, and even though I like to be dominant, I’m also a voyeur. My wife and I had an open-ish relationship. We didn’t look for partners, but adventures. We are now in a polyamorous relationship with our daughter. It's the three of us living together.

FME: You are in a sexual/romantic relationship with your biological daughter? 

She’s my biological daughter. Yes, we are in a triad.


FME: What was your childhood like? What was family life like? Were alternative lifestyles/sex discussed in your family, and if so, how? Can you describe your sexual awakening? When did you first realize that you wanted to swing or have a nonmonogsmous relationship?

My childhood was pretty standard. I lived in an upper-middle class environment without a lot of information about sexuality. My wife and I started dating in our twenties, and started discovering things together. We had our first experience with another couple when we were on our thirties, and then we kept going back to that world.

FME: How did sexual affection become a part of the relationship with your daughter? 

As I said, we were trying the waters in Brazil, and when we moved to the US, we joined the scene here. Without knowing - we never discussed our sexual options with her - our daughter was joining the Brazilian scene, and during one of our trips, we were in a swinger’s club that we heard a lot online, and ran into her. We agreed on not having interactions between any of us, but in the first night, her mother and her broke the rule.

This is the story, from my wife’s POV.

We are regulars in Swingers club in the US, but have little experience on Brazil. This happened when we were there, and decided to visit one of those clubs. We were used to the scene back home, so we felt very comfortable there; we were on first name basis with the majority of the people in a matter of minutes. The Club was not a paid members type, but you had to get on the list by contacting one of the party promoters. They had five to six parties there a week and each had their own promoter, so you would have different requirements to each party (profiles on networks, working phone numbers to both attending, etc.) There was a main room, that worked like a club, where people gathered for more social experiences and meet-ups prior to going off to some of the private rooms or the open group rooms that had a number of people present engaged in various activities.

We were enjoying ourselves in conversations with another couple in the main room when out of the corner of my husband's eye, he thought he saw something. He leaned over towards me and whisper that there is a girl that looks a lot like our 20 year-old daughter entering the club. Our daughter was a freshman in college, lived in her own apartment supported by us, and was always a pretty free spirit. Of course, we had never divulged our lifestyle to her, but never really thought about going out of our way to keep it from her, but we never received any mention about it coming from her, either.

I looked over towards the bar near the entrance and there she was. She was with a male childhood friend that she knew before moving to the US with us, and rebounded after coming back; someone that was very well known to us, and a regular at our house. Things quickly raced through my mind. First off, did she realize where she was accompanying him? If it was a surprise to her, what would she think if she seen her parents there? Even if she did know, what would she think seeing her parents? While there was no sex going on in this area, there were certainly scantily clad people there. The thoughts racing, my husband and I looking at each other with that bit of fear, when, all if a sudden we heard it: “Hi Mom”.

I looked up, I turned around with the fakest smile I have ever given. "Aw, hi" I said back.

"Relax, Mom", our daughter told me probably seeing the shocked look on my face. Our daughter slipped into the chair I was occupying. "Hey, relax mom. I have known for at least five years what you naughty people have been into. Don't worry, your secret is safe with me." I started relaxing, and feeling my body again. My husband? Just sort of stayed on the side of the conversation, completely quiet.

As we continued our conversation it came out that our daughter was actually a recurring member and her date, that was, now, staring at us nervously, was a first-timer looking for an experience. She also said that she had been enjoying multiple partners, both men and women since she was 18. Has been a regular on the club for over a year now but her college schedule made it so she could only visit once a week, or during vacations. Being that the club list was first names only, she didn't know that our names were there, and we also didn't know that her name was hers.

After a short time, we became more like friends than mother-daughter. We both realized we shared the same desires and that instead of being an awkward thing, we would enjoy it, anyway. We decided that it was time to go get some fun, but agreed on some rules: we would head to different areas, but if we ended up close, that it would be okay to be together but not play with each other.

My daughter then addressed my husband: "Dad, it would be best if you didn't go in the same areas I am. You know, to avoid any accidental contact." He agreed immediately. Having sex with our daughter was something he would definitely try to avoid. While I knew my daughter was a beautiful girl that looked after her body very well, neither of us had never had any thoughts of having any sexual contact with her.

We managed to have a memorable evening that night. While my husband did mostly stick to his end of the bargain, we ended up breaking the rules. We did play in the same room, and both with each other and with the same men. I did watch my daughter engage in various sexual practices, and I just thought she looked so good, that I couldn't stop my body.

Her partner, on the other hand, was out of the rules, and he did enjoy having to play with all family members, and finding out that he did like to give oral to older men. My husband does like watching me, and a mother-daughter duo is kinda attractive, so eventually he did mention our relation, and we had a lot of attention. I received a lot of praise for having such a beautiful woman in my family (and a couple dads and moms mentioning that they wish to have their daughters in the scene too).

Since that first time, we both had more experiences with her, in Brazil and in the US. We enjoyed a swingers cruise for her 21st birthday, enrolled her as a member to the paid members club we attend in the US, and even enjoyed some experiences with her college friends, both male and female. Her dad even broke our rules, and did it with our daughter while I watched them, and attended events as a couple, all by themselves.

She is currently dating a very sweet girl that knows about our experiences, and even joined us a time or two, so we are very happy for all of this. In fact, that only made our family stronger.

What makes this all work is open, honest, non judgmental communication between all.

After some time, we started having more and relations next to each other, and interacting with one another. Eventually, we also started having relations together.

I did not expect to do such a thing, before running into her there. I did not have sexual thoughts about her. She did say she had them about me, though. This event was the kickstarter.

FME: Can you describe your feelings during that process and/or event or those processes and events? How about “the day after”? How did that go? How were you feeling?

I felt excited and aroused. Even after the whole thing happened. She was no longer my daughter, but a lustful woman to me. Exactly the type with whom I enjoyed interacting.


FME: Before this had you ever thought this would be possible or enjoyable; did you have any opinion one way or the other about close relatives or family members being together? 

No experiences, no desires, nothing that I could mention.


FME: How do you describe the sex/lovemaking with your daughter now? Taboo? Natural? Especially erotic?

Well, at first it was extremely exciting. It’s like fulfilling a lot of men’s fantasies at once, but after that, it became really loveful. I felt she made us complete, and enjoyed being with us. I know people find this is like extremely disgusting, or extremely erotic, but after the first couple times, she becomes a woman, and you become a man, and the titles fall.


FME: Describe your relationship now. Do you see each other as parents and child, or lovers, or are those two roles inseparable at this point?

We have an open polyamorous relationship. She is welcome to find someone that she may love, but at the moment she’s more like a second younger wife to me. We do not have the parent-sibling control that there was when she was younger, and she’s treated as an equal, with house and emotional responsibilities to us. She will always be my daughter, but now she’s my lover.


FME: Do you get together in pairs or is it usually a threesome, or if someone else is involved...a foursome? If you split off as a couple, is that spontaneous or is there a schedule?

All of the above. We can make pairs, do threesomes, have other people involved, etc. Reddit’s been really helpful on that. We ran into a few ads in our area, and have adventures that are really fun. We have a lot of time on our hands, now, and this is really something we all enjoy doing.


FME: So you involve others? Do they know if your relation?

We involve other people. We either go out as singles, couples, throuples. We have a few long time partners, and we do enjoy the thrill of hook-ups. People always know what is waiting for them; we are always very clear. They join us only if they are OK with it. There have been a lot of times women in couples refused to take part.


FME: Do you all sleep together, or what are the sleeping arrangements?

We have a big bed, if that’s what you’re asking. But our daughter also has her own bed in another room, where she enjoys sleeping from time to time as I snore a little bit.


FME: Does anyone in your life know the full, true nature of your relationship and how did they find out? How have they reacted? 

My wife’s sister knows about us being swingers. Not the rest. She’s not exactly happy with it due to religion, but she’s too ashamed of us to tell someone else and “disgrace” the family. Other than that, only partners that we involve from time to time on our plays.


FME: Having to hide the full nature of your relationship from some people can be a disadvantage. Can you describe how that has been? Are there any other disadvantages? Do you go to swingers clubs or parties with your daughter, and does anyone know?

We go to one specific swinger’s club, and a couple of them know that our “roleplay” is real. Other than that, we are that weird family down the street that the daughter never moved out because they are weirdly affectionate to each other. It’s not like we are placing a billboard saying “We are in a relationship with our daughter” and our photos, but we do not find extreme hardships to overcome.


FME: Do you think consanguineous relationships have some advantages and some things better than unrelated lovers, especially between parents and their daughter?

I do not. There is a very thin line between consenting adults and power abuse. We had a very specific relation to our daughter that involved her leaving for almost seven years away from us, and developed herself and her mind. We are glad everything worked for us, but that could not be the case somewhere else. I do believe our relationship is one of the hardest to reach without being poisonous to someone.


FME: What do you want to say to people who disapprove of your relationship, or disapprove of anyone having this kind of relationship? What's your reply to those who would say that this is one of you preying on the others ?

I do not say anything. I really love my daughter, and I think about what we are doing everyday. The moment this feels wrong, I’ll stop it. My daughter has great health, she’s doing great in her studies, she started working in a big company, she has a support network that is huge, not only from us, but from our friends too. You would be surprised how many powerful and successful people are into swinging. She became an amazing woman that makes jaws drop on the street. I do believe we are good for now, but thanks for your consideration.


FME: If you could get legally married as a triad, and that included protections against discrimination, harassment, etc., would you? Or is this a different kind of relationship than that?

No, we wouldn’t. My daughter is growing, and I want her to find someone really special to her in her age range. I love our relationship, and our adventures, but I believe this is going to end sooner rather than later, and we encourage her to find that person. She’s on Tinder, Bubble, FishSomething and whatever other dating apps are there. She’s not our property, but part of our history.


FME: What advice do you have for someone who may be experiencing these feelings for a relative or family member, especially a son, daughter, mother, or father? What about people considering nonmonogamy?

Nonmonogamy – Go for it. It’s amazing, and will make you grow as a person understanding that people are not yours.

Family – Think about it. Really think about it from multiple points of view. Is this really something that will benefit both, make both happy, or something that you’re forcing on the other person? Be careful answering that.


FME: What advice do you have for family members and friends who think or know that relatives they know are having these feelings for, or involvement with, each other?

Well, don’t be a d---. If this is between consenting adults, that’s great. If it’s not, try breaking it. It’s not healthy.


FME: Do you consider yourself nonmonogamous in orientation?

Yes.


FME: Have you met in-person or do you know anyone else who has experience with consanguinamory or consanguineous sex that you know of?

Yes! We met a generous share of cousins and siblings couples.


FME: Anything else to add?

Be respectful, and open-minded. People are not properties, and you should know that.

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Clearly, these lovers are consenting adults who weren't hurting anyone, and yet they wouldn't even be able to exercise their basic human right to marry as things are now. They love each other and are happy, yet they are denied fundamental rights. They can't even be open about their love without risking prosecution in places like Florida.

Why should they be denied their rights? There’s no good reason.We need to recognize that all adults should be free to be with any and all consenting adults as they mutually consent, and part of doing that is adopting relationship rights for all, including full marriage equality sooner rather than later. People are being hurt because of a denial of their basic human rights to love each other freely.

You can read other interviews I have done here. As you'll see, there are people from all walks of life, around the world, who are in consanguinamorous relationships. The same goes for swingers. 

If you are in a relationship like this and are looking for help or others you can talk with, read this.

If you want to be interviewed about your "forbidden" relationship, or that of someone you know, connect with me by checking under the "Get Connected" tab there at the top of the page or emailing me at fullmarriageequality at protonmail dot com or see here.

If you know someone who is in a relationship like this, please read this.

Thank you, Mr/ Jackson, for doing this interview about your open, polyamorous, consanguinamorous, intergenerational relationship! We wish you well in your relationship with your wife and your daughter!