Georgia Still Prosecuting Consenting Adults

Most siblings who enjoy consanguinamory are never arrested or prosecuted for doing so, because they are never "caught" or outed to hostile or power-hungry strangers. I look forward to the day that they don't have to hide who they are or who they love. However, as long as most US states still have absurd laws against such consensual sex, it is a good idea for people to protect themselves.

There is news out of the US state of Georgia that siblings were arrested for having sex with each other. Their names and pictures are being published in several news outlets. Here's the report from G.G. Rigsby at savannahnow.com...

A brother and sister were arrested this morning in Effingham County and accused of having sex with each other in a tractor trailer parked at a church.

Christopher Buckner, 20, of Guyton, and her brother, Timothy Savoy, 25, of Jackson, Ga., were arrested and charged with incest, aggravated sodomy and prowling, according to Sheriff’s Office spokesman David Ehsanipoor.

Out of those three, only "prowling" should be a crime.

The spokesman said deputies answered a call at about 4:30 a.m. about a prowler in the area of Hester Road and Ga. 30.

As deputies were checking the area, they saw a man and woman walking down the road. The male said he was walking the female back to her house.

Deputies determined that the pair were brother and sister and that they had just had sex in a Kenworth tractor trailer, which was parked at Countryside Baptist Church, Ehsanipoor said.

He said they admitted having sex three times after watching the movie, “The Notebook.”

I wonder if the deputies would have been able to "determine" that they'd just had sex without the admission? Folks, it is risky to have sex on someone else's property if you don't think they'd approve. And, in America, we have the right to remain silent. USE THAT RIGHT. Never admit to committing a victimless "crime" even if it seems obvious that you did.

They were being held in the Effingham County jail.

Really? What kind of threat are they to anyone? How absurd.

A comment after the story asked the tired old question...

if a child was conceived will it be their son or daughter and niece or nephew?

What really matters is if a child is being raised by loving adults. To answer the question though, some children are raised in such situations and know their mother and father as such. Some children are raised by their mother or father unaware that their uncle or aunt is their father or mother.

Another comment..

...throwing them in jail at taxpayers expense does not seem to be an intelligent response.

 Thank you!

Another comment...

Do we not have more important issues for police to address than this.. Yes- it's wrong, stupid and certainly not within any sort of civilized behavior.. but jail? Nah-

Uh, thanks... I guess.

It was clarified elsewhere that they are half-siblings. I wonder if this is a Genetic Sexual Attraction situation? See, for example, this report at wsav.com...

The Effingham County Sheriff's Office says 20-year-old Christopher Buckner of Guyton and her half-brother, 25-year-old Timothy Savoy of Jackson have been arrested and charged with incest after they admitted to having sex.

This really shouldn't have been a criminal matter for the newspapers. The real news here is that adults are being charged with a crime for having consensual sex. The police should have told them not to fool around on church property and let them go. What a waste of resources.

A Treasured Love From Her Perspective

With most of the interviews I do, I’m fortunate just to get one of the lovers to put their time and thoughts into answering my questions. Sometimes I get both/everyone involved to give an interview. This is the first time that I can recall the other lover in a couple, after initially declining, overcoming her shyness and doing a separate interview after seeing her lover’s interview published.

They are a lovely couple both in appearance and interaction.

My previous interview can be found here. That was with the man in this heterosexual coupling, assuming the name "Billy Lee Black." Below is interview with the woman, “Blaze Fielding.”


Read the interview below and ask yourself if there is one good reason this person should be denied her right to marry and have her marriage treated equally under the law or should have to hide the full, true nature of her relationship from anyone.


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[UPDATE from January 26, 2016: This interview has been removed at the request of "Blaze." We apologize for any inconvenience.]


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There you have it. Consenting adults who aren't hurting anyone, who have a beautiful love, but are denied their rights.

Why should they be denied their rights? There’s no good reason.We need to recognize that all adults should be free to be with any and all consenting adults as they mutually consent, and part of doing that is adopting relationship rights for all, including full marriage equality sooner rather than later. People are being hurt because of a denial of their basic human rights to love each other freely.

You can read other interviews I have done here.

If you are in a relationship like this and are looking for help or others you can talk with, read this.

Thank you to "Blaze Fielding" for doing this interview! If you want to be interviewed about your "forbidden" relationship, connect with me by checking under the "Get Connected" tab there at the top of the page.

[UPDATE from December 30, 2015: Scroll down in this entry to get more information about this relationship.]

Why Support Rights for Consanguinamorous People?

The Final Manifesto gives an awesome answer to a question about the consanguinamorous freedom to marry.

Follow that blog!

Update on Nebraska Prosecution of GSA Teens

There's been an update to a Genetic Sexual Attraction situation we last blogged about in June. The travesty of justice continues. Here's the report from theindependent.com...

A 19-year-old Nebraska man who faced a felony incest charge has taken a plea deal.

The man pleaded no contest to a lesser felony charge of attempted incest on Tuesday. He had been charged with felony incest.

He shouldn't have been prosecuted at all!

16-year-old girl tells police her mother attempted to strangle her with a coat hanger after learning she was pregnant with her half brother's child.

No word at all on whether or not the mother will be prosecuted for assault or attempted murder.

She tells officers the relationship was consensual.

Yet they prosecuted anyway. Would they have done that if a DNA test revealed no close relation?

The girl was placed into state custody. She had been charged in juvenile court with incest but those charges were dismissed Tuesday.

Well, that's some good news at least. The Associated Press didn't give any names, but some news outlets did. For example there's panhandlepost.com.

Nebraska taxpayers should be furious that their tax dollars are being wasted to violate rights.

Consanguineous Marriage and the Modern Saudi

The Saudi Gazette recently ran an article about Saudis continuing to prefer consanguineous marriages.

The article starts off with the genetics scare tactic.

According to Ahmed Qassim Al-Ghamdi, the former head of the Commission for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice, awareness among Saudis of hereditary disease in children and their relationship to marriages between relatives has increased due to the progress made in scientific research. Al-Ghamdi, however, said many of the risks have been exaggerated and urged couples to undergo premarital blood testing.

“Scientific studies have proven that there is an increase in risk of affliction with certain hereditary diseases among children born from marriages between close relatives. The studies have proven a high probability of the husband and wife carrying the same genes if they are relatives. Hence, this increases the probability of their children carrying a gene for a rare disease. However, this does not necessarily mean that every related couple’s child will be born with hereditary disease,” he said.

The article gets into religion...

“The belief that marriage between relatives in itself increases hereditary diseases in children is an exaggerated belief. Islam has permitted marriage between relatives. The Prophet (peace be upon him) married his daughter Fatima to his cousin Ali Bin Abi Talib (may Allah be pleased with him). The companions of the Prophet followed the same path. This is widespread in Arab societies even though it has a role in the appearance of some hereditary diseases. At the same time, it causes the appearance of some good characteristics. The moderate view is to take precautions by undergoing premarital blood testing,” he added.

I think it is a good idea for anyone planning to have their own genetic children to look into their risks.

Educational consultant Dr. Shaker Al-Hukair said one cannot issue an absolute judgment in favor or against consanguineous unions especially since many Saudis support such unions due to several reasons.

“The most important among these reasons is to follow what happened during the era of the Prophet (pbuh) as he married his daughter Fatima to his cousin Ali Bin Abi Talib (may Allah be pleased with him). Marriage between relatives strengthens the bonds of kinship, aside from boosting the bonds of intermarriage. A husband and wife need a lot of wisdom in dealing with their marital differences and even in the case of separation, the bonds of kinship and kindness remain. Despite the disadvantages of marriage between relatives, I still believe that the advantages exceed the disadvantages. The previously mentioned matters are a sufficient reason for supporting marriage between relatives,” he said.

Marriages to cousins, cousins-once-removed, second cousins, etc. has a long history around the world. It is ridiculous that any country or any US state discriminate against or ban such marriages. It's good to see support in Saudi Arabia. Now if we could just get the Saudis moving forward with things like gender equality, polyamory, polyandry, and LGBT rights!

Update on Zambia Imprisonment of Consenting Adults

We have an update on the situation we last read about many months ago. Chambo Ng'Uni reports at daily-mail.co.zm...

TWO siblings of Serenje, whose marriage of 14 years shocked the nation, appeared in a Serenje Magistrate’s Court for mention after spending seven months in prison on charges of incest.

On Monday and Tuesday, respectively, Chipapuka and Bulaya appeared for mention for the fourteenth time before Mr Chiluba and Mr Ngosa.

They were, however, informed that the State is still awaiting instructions from the Director of Public Prosecution on how to proceed with their cases.

How about letting them go free and apologizing?!?

It is alleged that Bulaya, between January 1, 2000 and December 29 last year, in Serenje, had unlawful carnal knowledge of Chipapuka, who is his biological sister.

And so what is the problem???

Mr Chiluba and Mr Ngosa adjourned the cases to August 25 and August 26, respectively, and the siblings are remanded in custody while the State awaits instructions from the DPP.

This is not justice.

Mr Ngandula said Chipapuka will be remanded in custody. On July 28 this year, Mr Ngosa expressed concern that Bulaya has been appearing in court since January for mention and the State has continued applying for adjournments.

“This matter has taken too long, the court does not understand why it should take too long,” Mr Ngosa said. “I am concerned about this.”

Do the right thing and order them to go free! They are being mistreated with these delays. They shouldn't even be in custody in the first place. They haven't harmed anyone.


Dear readers, you may not live anywhere near Zambia, but many countries, and most US states, continue to imprison consenting adults for loving each other. This needs to stop. This family and others are being torn apart for no good reason.

Ten Myths About Sibling Consanguinamory

A Treasured Love Denied Marriage

By my count, this is the thirty-sixth ongoing relationship I've covered through exclusive interviews in which the lovers are denied the freedom to be open about their love and are denied the freedom to marry and have that marriage treated equally under the law.

The man in the interview below is an  adult in a vibrant, consensual relationship with another adult. Yet they face discrimination and prejudice for their love. They are very much in love and it is cruel to discriminate against them or criminalize their relationship.

Read the interview below and ask yourself if there is one good reason this person, going under the name "Billy Lee Black," should be denied his right to marry and have his marriage treated equally under the law or should have to hide the full, true nature of his relationship from anyone.



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FULL MARRIAGE EQUALITY: Tell us about yourself.

Billy Lee Black: I’m 5 feet 8 inches, thin, green eyes, brown hair. I've been in many different lines of work. Up until recently I was a computer technician dealing mostly with fixing laptops, mobile phones, TVs etc. I always wanted to be a history teacher, in truth, but I always had something going on in my life that turned into a road block. Since being laid off because the company downsized, I became a part-time cleaner and intend to go to university to fulfill my dream, that or become an assistant teacher as that's something I always wanted to do, too. Helping children with special needs was always something I wanted to do since I had learning difficulties growing up, which I overcame thanks to a great assistant teacher.

I have one sibling and that's my half-sister who I'm in a relationship with. I have a son from a previous relationship; let's call him Billy Jr. Currently I live in the UK. It's illegal here to marry or be with any family member including family members who are married into the family such as step-fathers, step-mothers, step-sisters, step-brothers.

Casting Call for Cousin Couples

Attention all cousins couples who want to appear on television: a production company is looking for you. I received a casting call from said production company. [Bumping up with a corrected email address.]

Please be mindful, if you're not already, that a few states still technically criminalize sex between first cousins.

As we know, there are a lot of myths about cousin relationships, and a well-done series can do much to raise awareness and reduce prejudices.

Here is the text of the casting call...

Against all odds and everyone’s opinion, are you dating, marrying or involved with your COUSIN?   

Are you tired of disapproving family, jokes about your relationship and want to clear the air? Or perhaps you’ve kept your cousin-­‐romance a secret and want to share your story?

We’re casting cousins who appear to be between the ages of 18-24 and are together in various relationships for a new documentary. We’re looking for people who want to share their story.

Please email us the following information to cousinscasting123@gmail.com:

• Your Name
• Location 
• Phone  and  Email, twitter, facebook, instagram - all contact information
• Who are you in a relationship with? (how are you related)
• Who knows and doesn’t know about your relationship?
• Please include several recent pictures of you and your partner.    

The casting director from LES Casting  wrote that they "produce and cast many different projects for several different networks (OWN, History Channel, A&E, etc)."

The idea is that while there are still taboos around this subject, most couples who are romantically linked with their cousins are just normal, regular everyday people who are happy to have found love. We are interested in exploring these couples stories, how they met, how they are moving forward in their relationships and how they are dealing with any kind of stigma from society. The hope is that through a series like this, EVERYONE can relate to these love stories on some level.

This looks promising. If you're at all interested and may be qualified, check it out.

A Private Passion

By my count, this is the thirty-fifth ongoing relationship I've covered through exclusive interviews in which the lovers are denied the freedom to be open about their love and are denied the freedom to marry and have that marriage treated equally under the law.

The couple in the interview below are consenting adults with a passionate and playful love for each other. Yet they face discrimination and prejudice for their love. Other than being attractive, there is nothing about them that would cause you to look at them and see anything different than any other citizen who should have their rights. They are very much in love and it is cruel to discriminate against them or criminalize their relationship.

Read the interview below and ask yourself if there is one good reason these two consenting adults should be denied their right to marry and have their marriage treated equally under the law or should have to hide the full, true nature of their relationship from anyone in their life.

**PLEASE NOTE SOME OF THE DISCUSSION GETS SEXUALLY INTENSE**


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FULL MARRIAGE EQUALITY: Describe yourself.

Pat: I'm a 27-year-old white male, living in Oregon. After attending college locally, I'm self-employed and live with my mother, who is 45 and who is also my wife. We live alone.


FME: You are in a sexual relationship with your genetic mother?

Pat: Yes.

Yes, It Does Happen

The news from Brazil about a Genetic Sexual Attraction case is prompting commentaries and discussions about things like "Incest by Accident," which is the title of this piece at guardianlv.com by Roanne FitzGibbon...

Recently, a couple about to be married in South Africa introduced their parents to each other, which resulted in facts that had long been hidden. The couple, expecting their first child, were all set to be married when the parents of each partner revealed some truths. It turns out that the bride and groom-to-be were actually brother and sister. Through a series of events and circumstances they did not know while growing up, their own parents confessed to secrets that made a difference. The soon to be wedded couple simply ended their love affair, despite their feelings and proceeded alone without their lover.

I think she's referring to this case.

Sad cases of finding out the truth of heritage have prevented or annulled otherwise happy unions. In the interest of upholding laws and rules, some lovers have forsaken their vows in the name of doing the right thing.

But is it really the right thing to break up a new family? I supposed it is, if the lovers can no longer go on together, but it seems to me like it is external disapproval that has been internalized.

Marrying a cousin or having sexual relations with a relative is generally a criminal offense and mostly banned around the world.

See here for a good idea of what the laws actually say.

Exceptions and allowances do occur for incest by accident, but for the most part, it has been deemed crude and offensive.

More than a natural attraction, love affairs involving incest are considered weird and unaccepted.

This is what I have to say about that.

Having children out of these unions can result in genetic malfunctions and mutations.

Sure, as can any birth.

Promoting a stance with incest is an offense and can be punishable through law, as one cartoonist found out recently in Kendal, Cumbria, England. Andrew Smith’s images of Bart and Lisa Simpson having sex were confiscated and alarming.

Aside from copyright infringement, those characters are ten years old and younger, so that has nothing to do with real adults.

I'm not quite sure what the point of that piece was, other than "it does happen." It does. It happens all of the time, and, in most situations, it never makes the news.

I wrote this for those who want help. My advice to anyone who finds out that they're with a close genetic relative is to first and foremost, keep quiet about it, as nobody else needs to know immediately, and think about it. This is the same person you fell in love it. Finding out that you're close genetic relatives does not change who the other person is. Think about that before deciding whether or not to end or change the relationship.

The Boy From Brazil

Two different Friends of Full Marriage Equality alerted me to a likely Genetic Sexual Attraction case that has made news. Here's one version, found at news.com.au...

Picture: Radio Globo Source: Supplied

A Brazilian woman, who embarked on a public journey to find the mother who abandoned her at infancy, has discovered her ‘husband’ is also her half-brother.

This isn't the first time this has happened, and it is going to happen more and more.

The 39-year-old, identified only as Adriana, made the shocking connection during an interview with Radio Globo’s The Time Is Now program, where she was reunited with her long-lost mum Maria, the Mirror reports.

During the broadcast, Maria revealed she had another son named Leandro, whom she had also abandoned.

“I don’t believe that you’re telling me this. Leandro is my husband,” Adriana reportedly said.

What a way to find out!

The couple, who are not legally married, have been together for seven years.

If they had a registered marriage, some heartless bigot would probably invalidate it. Fortunately, consanguinamory is not a crime in Brazil, so at least they don't face prosecution for loving each other, as so many people do. 

You May be Polyamorous on Some Level

Your host/blogger is polyamorous, but I'm not someone who believes everyone is, deep down, polyamorous, or should be in a polyamorous relationship. Everyone's feelings and experiences are their own. So with that out of the way, I wanted to call attention to Rosie Wilby's commentary at newrepublic.com under the headline "You're More Polyamorous Than You Think."

I conducted an anonymous online survey as research for my show asking what behaviors would be considered infidelity. Seventy-three out of 100 respondents thought that falling in love with someone else with no sexual contact still counted, 31 percent selected staying up all night talking to someone else, while a scary 7 percent decided that merely thinking about someone else was unacceptable. How you would police this, I don’t know.

Perhaps the only way to remain truly faithful would be to lock yourselves into a sealed box and both stay there without interacting with any other human beings. Yet this would be torture. Human connections are the lifeblood and oxygen that aid our emotional survival. Even the most fleeting kindnesses and flirtations with strangers enhance our wellbeing.

I strongly support people having the freedom to mutually agree to what is acceptable and what is not within the context of their continuing relationship. So when, say, a man has agreed with his partner that he will not have one-on-one business lunches with a woman and she will not have them with a man, I think that should be something left up to them, but I do find it overly restrictive, myself. And that's just business... because their concern is that it could lead to something personal. Not only would I not want to live under that restriction, I wouldn't want to live under the restriction of "no flirting with anyone else." I don't mind if she flirts with someone else, and not just because I enjoy that freedom myself. I like to see her enjoying herself, and if she can make another person's day a little brighter, all the better.