1) Some people get abused by relatives. That makes consensual incest wrong the same way abuse/assault by non-relatives makes sex in general wrong.
2) Many people are disgusted by the idea. If something disgusts many people, it must be wrong for everybody!
People are so disgusted by the possibility of having sex with a close
relative that they always get DNA tests before having sex with anyone,
to just be sure they aren’t having sex with a relative.
3) It increases the risks of birth defects,
and anything that does that is wrong and shouldn’t be allowed, just
like we don’t allow pre-menopausal women over the age of 35 to have sex,
and we don’t let anybody with obvious, serious inheritable diseases
have sex. Yup, this is why it is wrong for two half-brothers to fall in
love, or why stepsiblings who didn’t even meet until they were teenagers
shouldn’t be together. They might make a mutant baby!
4) It’s illegal in some places,
and something being illegal always makes it wrong. You know, like
harboring runaway slaves? That’s why having sex with your first cousin
is wrong in Texas but just fine in almost every other US state, half of
which legally marry first cousins, and why consensual incest between
closer family members isn’t wrong in Rhode Island, which has no laws
against consensual adult incest.
5) It’s not natural, and people should only be allowed natural things, like bicycles, smart phones, and iPads. OK, maybe it is natural in some species. But we shouldn’t lower ourselves to the behavior of other animals, who make wars and pollute the planet.
6) Someone’s religion is against it. And if someone’s religion is against it, nobody else should be able to do it. You’ll never find examples of acceptable consensual incest in the Bible.
7) There are so many people you’re not closely related to. That makes consensual incest (consanguinamory) wrong, just like there being plenty of people in your own race makes interracial relationships wrong.
8) Only rural poor people would ever do such a thing, not royals or educated people. And anything done by rural poor people is wrong.
9)There is often a power differential
in consensual incestuous relationships, and relationships with power
differentials are just wrong. That’s why no President of the United
States, Senator, Governor, judge, district attorney, or police chief has
ever been married, and we bar wealthy or intelligent people from
marrying someone who isn’t as wealthy or intelligent as them. Yes, power
differentials are exactly why half siblings close in age, even if they didn’t meet until they were adults, shouldn’t be allowed to be together.
10) It messes up family structures and dynamics.
That’s why every family’s dynamics are always required to be evaluated
and corrected by outsiders, and people are never allowed to break up if a
breakup will mess up the dynamics of the family. And people are never
allowed to work with family members, as that could cause conflicts or
too much reliance on family. Yes, messing up a family dynamic is why genetic relatives who were raised by different families should never be allowed to be together.
Yup, we need to let all of those people
who’ve found that a close relative makes the best life partner for them, or
perhaps just a trustworthy sexual partner, know what they are doing is wrong
and they should stop, and go settle for someone else, who I’m sure will
be just fine being the B-list choice for someone who’d rather be with
the person they see when the family gets together. People need to make
sure they aren’t doing anything that makes anyone who’s not involved
uncomfortable. That needs to come before their happiness.
This bit of sarcasm is brought to you by someone who supports the rights of ALL consenting adults to their relationships with any and all consenting adults.
Advocating for the right of consenting adults to share and enjoy love, sex, residence, and marriage without limits on the gender, number, or relation of participants. Full marriage equality is a basic human right.
Friday, November 12, 2021
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Yes, the arguments against consensual incest fall apart when analyzed closely. Then again, the same thing could be said for the arguments keeping any adult apart from another adult who want to be in a relationship together. We must stick together and do what we can to help more people realize that the government and society should not be able to tell adults that they cannot be together.
ReplyDelete-Liz Smith
I like this page, sometimes sarcasm will get the point across. It highlights how illogical some people are when it comes to anything that they personally find disgusting. They'll use any argument, no matter how weak, to try to get their point across.
ReplyDeleteI wish more people could open there minds
ReplyDeleteI hope you don't delete this comment but I completely disagree. The reason incest is wrong is because romantic relationships are basically interpersonal relationships. The problem isn't that you're limiting genetic diversity, but that you're limiting the diversity of your social circle. Say a brother and a sister were to marry, there would be no in-laws, no new people to meet through each other. Rejecting somebody else for your own kin is isolating yourself from others. The stereotype of people in rural areas committing incest is because of geographic isolation. The only way people know each other is through family in such isolated areas. The reason for nobility to intermarry and breed is similar, class isolation. They would rather marry a cousin for the good of the nobility than let a commoner or a political enemy into the royal lineage. Lastly, incest is wrong because there are different types of love: eros, phileo, storge, and agape. To confuse phileo or storge for eros is a part of the hyper sexualization and the over romantism of romance in our society. Incestuous people don't JUST content themselves with friendship, they MUST have sex and romance, which is a wrong way to look at all of your social relationships, as if they were a shortcut to sexual pleasure. In short, the act itself isn't morally wrong, but the causes and consequences are morally dubious at best. This is not hate, so please don't delete.
ReplyDeleteYou're basically saying that they should be forced to go out and find someone else. Not all incestuous people are in their respective relationships just for the sex. They don't just have a sexual attraction. They also have emotional connections with their partners. Just go through the "Case Studies" section of this blog and you'll find many incestuous couples that are akin to normal couples, with the only exception being the fact that they are related. Your argument is an example of the majority dictating what consenting adults can and can't do in the bedroom behind closed doors. This is an example of the tyranny of the majority. It is something Alexander Hamilton cited when he was working on the Constitution. It was meant to protect an ignorant majority from trumping upon the rights of marginalized communities and groups.
DeleteHonestly, what is wrong with not going out and finding someone else? It is a mere social construct. If incestuous couples are not hurting anyone, then why should the state interfere with their lives? We might as well ban dating sims or any other form of entertainment that may prevent people from going on and finding real people.
If you look at the Case Studies, there are many cases of incestuous people having started out dating people outside of their families but finding all of their relationships dull and unsatisfying. They actually took the effort to go out and find real people. These people then began dating their brother or sister and found their new relationship so much more fulfilling and satisfying than their previous "normie" relationships.
The people I described above fell into one of two categories:
a.) They were in love with their brother or sister since childhood. However, out of concern for the demands of society, they decided to go out and try to find other people to fall in love with. They succeeded, but those relationships didn't last very long and very unsatisfying for them. They then went back to their brother or sister, reunited, confessed, and began their incestuous relationships.
b.) They were separated from their sibling early in their childhood. They dated various people during their adulthood and time apart. They reunited later on during their adulthood, fell in love, and began a relationship. They reliazed that this newfound relationship turned out to be far more fulfilling than their previous "normie" relationships.
I sympathize with the people in the above two categories. They followed society's pressure to go out and find someone else to love...but in the end, it just didn't work out. They reunited with their siblings and developed something truly special. Something that none of their "normie" relationships couldn't even compare to.
I advise that you check out the "Case Studies" section of this blog. Hopefully, it will make you think twice about your current viewpoint.
Look, not all incestuous people are introverts or asocials or have social anxiety. It's called double love. I agree with the person who replied to you.
DeleteNone of what you said is an argument. It's your personal preference and you are free to follow them. If two people don't want new relations and are content with the ones they have, who the hell are you to tell them otherwise?
DeleteMy name is Quasimoto. I have a bad hunch back and my daughter while pretty has the same condition. My wife jumped off the cathedral and is long dead and buried so it is just me and my daughter left in here. No one else in the village will give either of us a second look. We are lucky if the priest give us a loaf of bread a day and I can catch a rat or tui.I am not sure what phileo sorge agape or eros are, but my daughter loves me and I love her and I am not sure why you have a problem with that, unless you are in love with my daughter yourself and want to take her away from me, or in love with me and want to take me away from her. I think you are just jealous of our happiness and so want to split us up. If God hadn't wanted people to have incest, why does he make up the story of Abraham and Sarah in the Bible? Surely that totally made up myth in the Bible proves beyond question, that God believes in the appropriateness of adult consensual incest for certain people at certain times, and the right of two people to decide when it is appropriate for them. Just as with anti-insemination laws that were scrapped on 12th June 1967.
ReplyDeleteSo many people were unfairly jailed because some whitey 'know-it-all' decided that inter-racial sex was abnormal and disgusting and a threat to white rule, so made it illegal.
but how can my hunchback daughter and me be a threat to this society that threatens itself with extinction anyway, with all its mad pollution and wars? We are not the threat. Society is the threat! Social relationships on one loaf of bread a day? Why not make the the causes and consequences that are morally dubious illegal and arrest them! No offense intended, but I think you may be out of touch with the wide variety of different situations that exist in the world.
this is funny af
DeletePS 'Just as with anti-insemination laws that were scrapped on 12th June 1967.' should read... "Just as with anti-miscegenation laws that were scrapped on 12th June 1967."
ReplyDeleteI enjoyed the article very much. The humour made me LOL. It may be well to remember that those on the opposed side of the argument are also victims of brainwashing systems that have been around a long while and were not constructed by those individuals themselves. How they must suffer with their false consciousness, Judeo-Christian guilt complexes, repression of their natural instincts, and neurotic obcessive-compulsive 'holier-than-thou' sanctimony. To be so flint-hearted and intolerant to others simply minding their own business and spending time together in love, and wishing them to be jailed and have their lives ruined for being ACI, obviously means that they have big chips (internal pain and anger) on their shoulders about something and simply have an urge to be cruel and sadistic to someone or anyone who they can find the opportunity to treat badly with impunity.
ReplyDeleteAs for one commentator who argued that all people should wish to extend their circle of acquaintances, though I appreciate his concern for the welfare of society and the individuals in it, I don't think (English people at least) fall in love with the ulterior motive of extending family connections. When author of 'The Four Loves' ( C.S. Lewis married Joy Davidman, apparently "the marriage was a pure matter of friendship and expediency." "She was my daughter and my mother, my pupil and my teacher, my subject and my sovereign; and always, holding all these in solution, my trusty comrade, friend, shipmate, fellow-soldier. My mistress; but at the same time all that any man friend (and I have good ones) has ever been to me. Perhaps more." This is all very telling. Of the four loves in his rather mechanical system, it seems when it came to marriage it was Charity (agápē) which was his main motivation, not the desire to create more friends and acquaintances.
C. S. Lewis
don’t believe the lies online
ReplyDeleteHi we're in desperate need of help and dont know what way to turn,
ReplyDeleteMy parents divorced when I was very young and I didn't know my father, my partner's father died in 1997, we've been in a very happy relationship for the past year and the subject of marriage has been mentioned, however over the past few days while researching our family's tree we discovered that we have the same father, we love each other and our feelings have not changed but we now realise that we'll never be able to marry, we're in the uk and the law here says that half siblings cant marry, can anyone suggest any thing else we can do to show our love for each other ie a non legal ceremony or something similar, thankyou
See my response here. https://marriage-equality.blogspot.com/2021/11/lovers-in-uk-discover-they-cant.html
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