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Wednesday, January 28, 2015

Consenting Adults Still Criminalized in Samoa


In a report by Jasmine Netzler at samoaobserver.com we can see that adults in Samoa are still being treated as criminals for having sex with each other.
The Supreme Court has issued a warrant of arrest for a mother accused of sleeping and having consensual sex with her son.
Isn't it nice that things are so great in Samoa that the Supreme Court has nothing more important to do than go after adults for having sex?
The matter came up before Justice Vui Clarence Nelson in the Supreme Court yesterday when he questioned the progress of the warrant of arrest issued for the mother.

The warrant was apparently issued last December after the woman failed to show up before Court for the hearing of the charges against her and her son.
Justice Vui Clarence Nelson surely has more important things to do than this.
But Justice Vui adjourned the matter for an update from the prosecutor, Ofisa Tagaloa, about the outstanding warrant.
Ofisa Tagaloa surely has more important things to do than this.
The punishment for incest has increased since the last amendment to the Crimes Act 2013 from seven to 20 years in prison.
Twenty years in prison for sex. This is consensual activity, folks. Who is the victim? There isn't one. This is a waste of public resources. There is no good reason they shouldn't be free to be together if that is what they want. Whether it is Somoa or Oregon, an adult, regardless of gender, sexual orientation, race, or religion, should be free to share love, sex, residence, and marriage (or any of those without the others) with any and all consenting adults, without fear of prosecution, bullying, or discrimination.
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Tuesday, January 27, 2015

GSA in the Movies


Homesick Sundance

Dennis Harvey gives a  Sundance film review at variety.com of "Homesick."



...“Homesick” approaches the topic of incest sans sensationalism, but without much dramatic impact, either. This drama sketches two half-siblings who get along a little too well when they finally meet in adulthood, but its somewhat bland, underdrawn characters lack interesting internal or external lives, making their predicament seem ultimately, oddly inconsequential.

So it sounds like a Genetic Sexual Attraction story and they still manage to make it bland?
Soon both feel a lifelong emotional gap has been filled, yet their attraction is undeniably more than platonic. They’re soon acting on those impulses, the passion rapidly escalating to cohabitation — no matter that this relationship can hardly be kept secret from her conveniently away-on-tour musician boyfriend (Oddgeir Thune), let alone his wife.

Hmm. It would be good to see accurate portrayals of GSA in movies. I don't think this sounds like the best depiction. GSA is very, very powerful. That can make for some intense drama if the characters are trying to living monogamous lives with other partners or are in otherwise closed relationships with others, and then there's the drama inherent legal and social discrimination. There's so much potential (for comedy, too) and filmmakers should make use of it.

Dear readers, if any of you see this movie, share your thoughts by commenting here.
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Monday, January 26, 2015

Of Mice and Polygamy


There's been much talk over the last week in the US about deflated balls. But enough about American football. Penny Sarchet reports at newscientist.com that balls of a different sort are not deflated at all....
For decades, we've known that bigger balls are a sign that there is strong sperm competition between males. But now a laboratory experiment has shown that when many male mice mate with the same females, their descendants can quickly evolve testes that can produce more sperm even though they're not any larger.

Isn't science fascinating?
Primate researchers in the 1970s observed that the size of an animal's testes seemed to be linked to its mating system. When many males mate with the same females, males of that species tend to have larger testes. This enables them to produce more sperm, to help them outcompete other males who might have partnered with the female and increase the chances of passing on their own genes.
But... science is always investigating.
Renée Firman at the University of Western Australia in Perth and her colleagues had previously found that, when mice evolve in conditions in which there are three females and three males, the males produce more sperm – but they somehow manage to do this without developing bigger testes.

"We were wondering how the mice had increased their sperm production in the absence of a change in testes size," says Firman.
Making better use of space is something everyone can relate to, right?
To test what was happening in mice, Firman's team put the animals in two different mating systems: a monogamous system in which males did not have to compete for females, and a polygamous one, in which males shared the same group of females – a situation closer to what would happen in the wild.
Just 24 generations later, testes from polygamous males contained more sperm-producing tissue than those of monogamous males.
The poly males were rising (so to speak) to the occasion. 
Lüpold agrees. "This study provides the clearest evidence so far that the level of sperm competition can affect the architecture, and likely the function, of testes, with significant changes seen after just a few generations of selection," he says.
I wonder what Mickey and Minnie have to say about this?
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Wednesday, January 21, 2015

Will New Jersey Lawmakers Climb Back Into Your Bed?

Do New Jersey lawmakers really have nothing better to do? At least one member of the New Jersey Assembly apparently has nothing better to do than to try to get the public resources of the State of New Jersey to march into the private bedrooms of consenting adults and haul them off to court and then to prison. That sounds like a great use of taxpayer money, right?


Louis C. Hochman reports at NJ.com...

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State Assembly Republican Leader Jon Bramnick says he expects the only reason incest is apparently legal in New Jersey is "it's so absurd and so offensive that no one would expect to have it" here.

Right. So what about most of the other states, then? And to be clear, we're talking about CONSENTING ADULTS, not assaulting minors or abuse of any kind.

"This concept is totally offensive," he said. "I'm sure there's going to be some discussion in the legislature. We can't tolerate those kinds of marriages."

Uh, New Jersey doesn't marry first-degree relatives. They should, but they don't. This is only about being able to have consensual sex in privacy without some uninvited, scowling political grandstander trying to get in the middle... so to speak.
"I'm convinced there's going to be some discussion," Bramnick said. "Any time you learn a father and daughter plan to get married, that has to be unacceptable. It would appear to be against anything that's acceptable in New Jersey."
He's clearly uninformed about the nuances of the laws of his own state and with current news. That's rather sad for someone who is supposed to be a legislative leader. And as the article noted, the woman in the interview wasn't seeking a paper from the state; she just wants to be left alone to have her relationship.
Bramnick said there are certain things "just so obviously wrong that legislators might never have thought of them."
Notice he doesn't explain exactly what is wrong with consenting adults having sex in private without having to fear criminal prosecution. That's OK. Nobody else seems to be able to, either.
Sexual relationships among adult relatives weren't always legal in New Jersey. Incest was outlawed in New Jersey until 1979, when the state enacted a new criminal code that left a section planned for incest blank, according to Peter Gilbreth, a Morristown-based attorney who handles both criminal and family cases.

Under the old statute, incest was a crime that carried a maximum penalty of 15 years in state prison, Gilbreth said.

Interesting. Can you imagine sending someone to prison for fifteen years for having sex with another adult? Again, please note that assault, child molestation, etc., which is an entirely different matter than what we're talking about, has always been illegal, as it should remain.


I noticed some of the comments left at the website when I read the article.


If they don't ban incest all the incest love couples will flock here. Now that this story is being publicized they will learn NJ is a safe place to come.
I guarantee you they are already there, honey. Has the state fallen apart in all of these years? Well, maybe, but not as result of people loving each other.

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Assemblyman Bramnick. Instead of worrying about this one 18 y/o and whether she wants to live in an incestuous realtionship with her father why don't you turn your attention to what is going on in the family courts where tens of thousands of good loving parents are being denied their right to a relationship with their children. Stop focusing on BS and start focusing what is happening in our family courts. 
No, he wants to BREAK UP families.

Anybody in New Jersey who is worried that there might be consanguinamorous relationships in the state without a new, wasteful law: THEY ARE ALREADY THERE. Can you point to any problems in the state that are a direct result of letting consenting adults love each other how they wish? No, you can't. There are great citizens, great neighbors, great workers, who are living in New Jersey right now who appear to be loving spouses in a great marriage, raising healthy, bright children, but what most people around them might not know is that they are closely related, and thus their marriage isn't recognized by the state. Why would anyone want to waste taxpayer resources turning them into criminals and tearing apart their home? What a cruel, vicious thought. It's sad that there needs to be advice like this.

Instead, New Jersey lawmakers should take the lead and institute full marriage equality. Save taxpayer resources for preventing and prosecuting abuse, not love.
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Casting Call For GSA Experienced

I am passing this along per request. I don't know these people at all. As always, I recommend caution in dealing with requests to make contact with media. While I very much want to see realistic and informative portrayals or documentation of people who face discrimination, I also never expect anyone to out themselves to anyone else unless that is what they want to do, and I definitely do not want to see people persecuted or prosecuted for loving other consenting adults.

Award-winning television production company is searching for couples & individuals who are currently experiencing GSA. We are interested in hearing from those who may be ready to share their stories, as we are currently researching for a possible new documentary series on what it is like to live with GSA. All information will be kept strictly confidential. Anyone interested should write to: docuseries2015@gmail.com with the following info:

Full name & city/state of residence
Current relationship status
Brief bio, including when you began to experience GSA & with whom
A few pictures of yourself and/or links to social media profiles
Best contact #/s
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Sunday, January 18, 2015

A Texas Couple Denied Marriage Equality Under the Law


By my count, this is the thirty-second ongoing relationship I've covered through exclusive interviews in which the lovers are denied the freedom to be open about their love and are denied the freedom to marry and have that marriage treated equally under the law.

Jake and Alice are consenting adults who have a passionate love for each other. Yet they face discrimination and prejudice for their love.

Read the interview below and ask yourself if there is one good reason these two consenting adults should be denied their rights or should have to hide. [Bumping up due to a short update at the end.]


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FULL MARRIAGE EQUALITY: Describe your background.

Jake: I am a 20-year-old male from Miami, Florida currently relocated to the suburbs of Dallas, Texas. I am white, 6'1" with brown hair and green eyes, I consider myself to be attractive. I have always been active and involved in various sports. We live in a nice and quiet town in the suburbs I would describe us as upper-class.

Alice: I'm 35, the mother of one son. I work in real estate. I currently live with my son. I became pregnant at the age of 15. After my son was born, his father decided to leave and hasn't been a part of either of our lives since.

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Saturday, January 17, 2015

A Loving Couple Denied the Freedom to Marry

[Note: I bumped this entry up because it deserves attention.]

[Anonymous Daughter] is a woman who had been regularly contributing to the original Genetic Sexual Attraction forum. That forum was mostly operated towards helping those who are struggling with their feelings of attraction and experiences related to reuniting with long-lost biological relatives, and for their family members who are dealing with the fallout. For some, though, the only struggle with GSA has to do with the prejudice and pressures from others, including people who have experienced GSA, who do not want them to have consanguinamorous relationships involving sexual contact. In other words, some people experiencing GSA do not struggle with it; they embrace and enjoy it.

[Anonymous Daughter], who stands up for those experiencing GSA and enjoying a consanguinamorous relationship, generously agreed to an interview. I think you’ll agree that her intelligence and character shine through in her answers. If you read through this and would still want to deny her the freedom to marry, then I question your humanity. Yet, there are many who not only want to deny her right to marry, but would throw her into prison and break up her family.

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FULL MARRIAGE EQUALITY: Describe your background. Where are you from? Who raised you? What kind of childhood did you have?

[ANONYMOUS DAUGHTER]: I am from Canada. I was raised by my mother and maternal grandparents as an only child. I had what I would describe as an idyllic childhood until I was a teenager. Being the focus of four adults’ attention as a youngster can be both good and bad. My grandparents were actively involved in my upbringing as was my mother's brother. Each of them offered me many things of value. My grandfather and I were particularly close. I spent a great deal of time in academic and artistic pursuits, each fostered by at least one of these adults.

When I turned 13 my grandfather died, my mother separated from her second husband, my grandmother fell into alcoholism, my uncle got married and became a fundamentalist christian. I met my father for the first time that summer. It was a rough year. Obviously there were a lot of things I didn't understand at the time going on under the surface. Today, I can say I do but it was a long personal journey to really come to grips with who the people I loved were and how that impacted me. I've learned a great deal from it all but it was a travail.

I started visiting my father and writing him often at this point. I met my half-brother, who was eleven years younger than me, also. We weren't able to see one another that often and our visits were punctuated with long separations.


FME: You are in a spousal (including lovemaking) relationship with your biological father, correct? When did you first notice you had feelings for him? Before you noticed you had these feelings, had you ever thought of the concept of close biological relatives having this kind of love?

Yes. We were reunited the first time when I was a teenager. We had a conventional father daughter relationship externally but were to learn years later that we did not feel 'conventional' about each other then. I was struck with a physical and sexual attraction to him almost immediately. I squelched it. I thought I was 'sick' for feeling that way. We stayed in contact for six years at which point I couldn't handle how I felt anymore and not act on it so... I ran and never spoke to him again until twenty some odd years later.

I was aware that other bio relatives had incestuous relationships and had assumed it was an extension of childhood abuse. I realize now, of course, that this is not always the case. I had never heard of GSA relationships though, and had no idea of the GSA phenomenon happening to separated adults.


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They Finally Found Love But Are Denied Their Rights

The couple featured in the interview below are a good-looking couple living in the US. Although if you met them you might notice there is an age difference between them, you'd never think, if you passed them on the street, that they would not only be denied the right to marry, but that their relationship would still be illegal in most states. They were generous enough with her time and privacy to be interviewed.

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FULL MARRIAGE EQUALITY: Describe your background.

Anonymous Woman:  I am a forty-four year old adult adoptee and mother of two in a loving relationship with my seventy year old genetic father. My childhood was anything but happy. I had a cruel, abusive adoptive father. I got married very young and the marriage only lasted a couple of years. I married my second husband a year after the divorce. I’ve been separated from him for ten years.

I now live with my two kids, my genetic father/partner, and my ex.

Anonymous Man: I worked as a restaurant manager. I've been divorced for 35 years.


FME: Describe how you met or were reunited.

Woman: I found my father with one internet search. For years I only had three clues about my father: his first name, his best friend's from childhood's name, and where he was living around the time I was born. I was able to track down his best friend who told me my father's last name. It was an unusual last name which made him very easy to find.

My father never knew about me. He dated my mother briefly in but they parted ways before I was born. He never even knew she was pregnant with me.

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They Served in the Military But Aren't Even Free to Marry

By my count, this is the twenty-first ongoing relationship I've covered through exclusive interviews in which the lovers are denied the freedom to be open about their love and denied their freedom to marry.

“Edward” and “Elizabeth” are genetic father and daughter, reunited after Elizabeth became an adult. I contacted Elizabeth after she linked to this blog. Since this is a Genetic Sexual Attraction situation that has led to a consanguinamorous relationship, Elizabeth and Edward value their privacy. Thankfully, they opened up to me and were generous enough with their time and privacy to be interviewed.

Read the interview below and ask yourself if there is one good reason their rights to love each other the way they want should be denied.


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FULL MARRIAGE EQUALITY: Describe your background.

Elizabeth: I was born and raised on the west coast, and I moved in between living with my mother and my grandparents many times as a child. In the end I wound up with my mother, stepfather and half-sister...it was not an unhappy time, but my mother and stepfather had a very turbulent relationship and were very hard on me. After I graduated high school I was happy to go into the military and get out of the stressful situation, and got married at 19. I discharged from the military and moved to the Midwest with my husband to be closer to his family, and worked as a CNA/MA until recently. I was in the middle of getting this divorce when I moved in with Edward, which was the best decision I’ve ever made.

I’m 22 this year and I have planned to attend art school. As for my hobbies I like to read and play World of Warcraft, as well as browse the internet (if you can consider that a hobby). I have to say, I’ve never been happier in a relationship than I’ve been with Edward. He’s the best man for me.

Edward: I was born in the southwest where I lived most of my life. I joined the service at 19, married and moved to the east coast. Left the service at 21 and moved back west where I attended college and worked odd jobs. Moved to the mid-west at 23 where I worked more odd jobs. At 25 I moved to the Great Lakes area where I learned drafting and design. I moved back to the mid-west at 27 then back to the Great Lakes area by 30 and another move back to mid-west in 2003. I’ve been in this region since then. I am a 43 year old structural designer for the petroleum industry. I had given up on ever finding a meaningful relationship with any woman any age at this point in my life. I had consigned myself to the reality that I might very well be better off being alone for the rest of my days.


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Friday, January 16, 2015

Liz and Ryan Update: Still Denied the Right to Marry


One of our favorite friends of FME and Friend of Lily, Liz, generously agreed to be interviewed for another update. You can read about the beautiful relationship she has with her brother by reading this original interview and this previous update. They are essentially married; but they are denied the legal recognition of their marriage by their own government, and not protected from discrimination or bullying. [This has been bumped up because of an update below - November 20, 2014]

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FME: How are things going between you and your brother?

Liz: Things are going very well. Our relationship is still strong. Any arguments are minor and don't last long. We don't make love quite as often as we used to, but that's from Ryan being tired from being busy at work as much as it is from having to care for a baby. I still can’t imagine it being any better.


How is your daughter? Last I saw, she was an adorable baby.

She certainly is adorable, and I'm not saying that just because I'm her mom. She is a year-old now, and is walking. She is smart; she recognizes some words, and she figures out how to get into things. Ryan and I love being parents.


I noticed she didn't have two heads.

There is nothing wrong with her at all. Ten fingers, ten toes, completely perfect. I just wish people wouldn't keep making the same old comments when they hear about incest children - that they turn out to be freaks or something. It is simply not true.


As I like to say, most children born to close relatives are healthy, and if it wasn’t so, we’d all be in big trouble because most people, whether the records show it or not, have parents who were close relatives not too far back in their ancestry. Have you let any more people know about the full nature of your relationship, or has anyone else found out that you know of?

As of now, only our parents and one of my friends knows the truth. They needed time to adjust, but now they are OK with it. I have also met many people in online chats and they have been overwhelmingly supportive. I am thankful to those people.


You’re both attractive people. Have you or your brother had to decline date proposals from others, and if so, how have you handled that?

Not recently. People believe we're married, or they at least know we're a couple (without knowing we're related of course). In the past I have had to turn down guys. I told them I was seeing someone else, which was true.


People in love and in a closed relationship often have a “look,” even if they are somewhere by themselves, that tells other they are not available and that they are happy. I would imagine that is strong in your case, and now you have your young daughter with you. That probably lets people know not to bother asking you out. What do you want people to know who disapprove of your love, or say you are sick or that you couldn't possibly have consented to this relationship?

I want them to know that they have absolutely no idea what they are talking about. They can not convince me that it is wrong, because I know in my heart it is right. I have always felt it was right that my brother and I are together. I would feel empty without him, incomplete. He is my soulmate.


What do you want to say to supporters and allies?

Thank you, to everyone who support us, everyone who knows what we are doing is right. We need all the people we can to try to change society for the better. There are many people out there who are having these feelings and they are being told it's wrong. We need to reach out to them, support them, tell them it's OK. We need to work together to repeal the laws against incest. They've already done it in some countries and some states here in the US. We need to build on that.


I understand you are helping others. What can you tell us about that?

I have met many people through online chats. Some have wanted advice or help with their situation. I do whatever I can for them. Some are in situations that remind me strongly of the early days of my relationship with my brother, and I let them know that I understand what they are going through and I tell them what I did and how I got to where I am now. If anyone wants to chat with me, either for advice or just to talk about their situation, I am more than happy to do it.


Any additional advice to someone who has romantic or sexual feelings for a close biological relative?

Yes. First of all, you are not wrong or sick to have these feelings. There are many out there like you. Second, do not think that you will never be able to enjoy a romantic or sexual relationship with a relative. Yes, there is a chance that he or she would not feel the same way. However, you will never know unless you try. I wouldn't be in this wonderful relationship if my brother hadn't confessed how he felt to me, and I am so glad that he did. Just take things one step at a time, and when you feel it's the right time tell your brother, sister, mother, father, son, daughter, uncle, aunt, cousin, or whoever, how you feel. If you need help, there are people out there, like me, who will do what we can. You can do it, don't give up.


Any particular plans for the future? Would you still get legally married if you could?

Yes, we would get married if we could. We would announce our happiness to the world if we could. I don't like having to hide things from my friends and neighbors. As for future plans, we do plan on having more children one day. Also, we will one day have to find a larger house for our growing family.


Is there is anything else you want to add?

Never, ever give up. It sounds like a cliche, but it's true.

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The years go by, and people in consanguinamorous relationships, living as spouses, have to hide and live with their freedom to marry being denied. We need full marriage equality sooner rather than later, so that they can have the marriages they want. It is ridiculous that they have to wait any longer.

Read other interviews here.

UPDATE from November 20, 2014...

Liz has joined the fun at Kindred Spirits

Here are a couple of the things she's had to say there, updating us on her love with Ryan.
I'm 25 and in a happy relationship with my brother. We have been together for some time, and live as a couple. It hasn't always been easy for us, of course, but we're happy and making this relationship work.
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I am in a relationship with my brother, and we have a daughter. I had wanted to have a child for some time, but was unsure about whether it would be ok to do so. After researching and also chatting with couples like us who did have children we decided to do it. She is nearly 4 now, happy and healthy. I am so glad that we had her, and we do plan to have another. 


It's always good to hear from Liz.

Here's an update!
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Wednesday, January 14, 2015

Ex Wife Wants to Make an Issue of Ex-BIL's Marriage

Someone in Illinois asked at avvo.com for legal answers regarding...
Recourse in keeping child from first cousin incestuous marriage exposure in Illinois: can I use this as a reason to get custody?

Let's get the details.
I live in Illinois, where marriage between first cousins is illegal.

Right, they have to both be over 50 or one has to be infertile. In almost half of the rest of the states, first cousins can legally marry without those conditions.
My ex-husband's brother married their first cousin, who was born in a foreign country.

Got that? It isn't something her ex is doing, it is that her ex's brother is married to his first cousin.

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Tuesday, January 13, 2015

War, Peace, Game of Thrones?


At dailymail.co.uk, Arts Correspondent Chris Hastings reports on a BBC1 adaptation of Tolstoy's War and Peace, and there is something of interest to this blog.
Gillian Anderson is to star in a controversial new BBC1 adaptation of War And Peace which will feature an incestuous relationship and sex scenes not included in Leo Tolstoy’s original novel.
And later...
Davies has been criticised in the past for ‘sexing up’ the books he adapts for television, and the writer believes War And Peace is likely to cause a stir for the same reasons. He said: ‘I included entirely new scenes that were not in the novel.

‘These inevitably deal with the sexual side of things. Tolstoy is sometimes only able to hint at things which we can expand on.’ He added: ‘The surprising this is how modern and relevant these characters will appear to an audience.’

Davies also said his adaptation would also expand on what he believed was an incestuous relationship at the heart of the novel. He said: ‘Tolstoy does hint at this relationship in the novel but we are going to be quiteclear about it.

‘There will be a scene where a brother and sister show their real feelings for each other, and I don’t think viewers will be in any doubt about their attraction.’

So what do you think? Does this sound like a good thing? Or will this be more demonizing of consanguinamory?

Meanwhile, if you want novels that don't just hint, I recommend Love's Forbidden Flower and Time's Forbidden Flower by Diane Rinella.
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Monday, January 12, 2015

From Friends to Lovers to Spouses


I've done many exclusive interviews with lovers denied  their right to marry, and usually denied the freedom to just be open about their love for each other. Unfortunately, the prejudice against consanguinamory has an impact even when and where it isn’t enshrined in law. Just read the interview below to see how this is so.

The woman in this interview is an intelligent, educated, attractive adult, the kind of person you might be happy to have living next to or you might see every day, married to another adult. Yet they face discrimination and prejudice for their love, even from members of her own family. They aren't hurting anyone; so why the hate?


Read the interview below and see for yourself what she has to say. You may think her relationship is interesting, or it might make you uncomfortable, but either way, should they be punished for loving each other?

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FULL MARRIAGE EQUALITY: Describe yourself.

Anonymous Woman: I am a 28-year-old white female of Irish descent living in Tennessee. I am 5'2” with blonde hair and green eyes. I’m fully employed and have an Associate's degree in Psychology. I’m two classes away from my Bachelor's degree in Psychology. I have no children. I have a half-sister who is 18 years my junior. I like to read; I’ve been reading since I was three. I’m an animal lover.


FME: How long have you been married?

This is my second marriage and I’ve been married since July 2013.


FME: How would you describe your sexual orientation and your relationship orientation?

I am heterosexual and in a monogamous relationship.


FME: You are married to you your biological first cousin, once removed? How old is he?

Yes, my maternal grandfather and my husband's father were brothers. My husband is 42, so he’s 14 years my senior.
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Friday, January 9, 2015

A Thriving Young Woman Despite Discrimination Against Her Mother


I've profiled dozens of ongoing relationships through exclusive interviews in which the lovers are denied the freedom to be open about their love and are, by law, denied the freedom to marry and have that marriage treated equally under the law. However, I'd been missing opportunities to further inform visitors to my blog, as pointed out by some Friends of Full Marriage Equality. So now, in addition to seeking interviews with the lovers themselves, I am also asking for friends and family of such lovers for interviews.

The inaugural interview of this new series is below, and features a remarkably well-spoken young woman whose life was impacted negatively by discrimination against her mother's consensual relationship. Fortunately, as you'll read, things weren't nearly as bad as they could have been, especially when it comes to a prior relationship her mother had, the one that birthed the interviewee.

Read the interview below and ask yourself who hurt her... her mother or the people who persecuted her mother?



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FULL MARRIAGE EQUALITY: Describe yourself and your background.

Anonymous Woman: I’m 20 years old, Eurasian and an atheist. I live with my partner of six years and have olive skin and tattoos. I’m roughly around 165cms tall and I’m the oldest child in my family. When I’m not working as a waitress, I love to spend my time outdoors being active and staying physically fit or playing PlayStation inside. I've been home-schooled all my life and enjoy mixing with people from all walks of life. I’m extremely accepting and love nothing more than to learn and soak up as much knowledge as I can.

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Letter Writer to Dear Abby Wants MIL to Cover Up


A recent Dear Abby column had a letter under the title of "Mom Lets It All Hang Out in Front of Grown Sons." COVERED UP IN THE MIDWEST wrote...
I am 30 and my husband, "Brent," is 35. We have had some financial troubles lately and recently had to move in with my mother-in-law.


So her MIL is doing her a favor.
My question is, how old should a child be before his mother quits walking around naked in front of him?

There isn't really a "should." Some people, some families are naturists or nudists and even some who aren't prefer to be nude at least some of the time in their own home.
My mother-in-law still walks around completely nude in front of Brent and his 39-year-old brother. 

Is there a problem? Is she in better shape than the letter writer?

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Thursday, January 8, 2015

Oregon Prosecuting Consenting Adults, Tearing Children Away From Parents


Chelsea Gorrow reports at registerguard.com that authorities in the US state of Oregon, which is generally supposed to be progressive, have decided to persecute consenting adults for their sex life and ruin them. The Register-Guard has used their names and a picture of at least one of them.
A father and his adult daughter are facing charges of incest after their arrests in Klamath Falls, Springfield police said.
So the authorities were so determined to do this that they were willing to go to another jurisdiction to make the arrests.
Two children who are a result of their relationship have been placed in foster care, according to detectives.
So now the authorities are traumatizing children. Why?
Eric Lee Gates, 49, and his daughter, Chalena Moody, 25, both formerly lived in Springfield. Gates was arrested Dec. 23 in Klamath Falls and extradited Wednesday to Lane County, where he was arraigned and pleaded not guilty. He is expected back in court Feb. 11.

They are consenting adults. This is a waste of taxpayer resources.

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Wednesday, January 7, 2015

Looking at Consanguineous Ancestors at Reddit


Someone using the name Doncuneo asked at reddit.com for responses from people who have consanguineous ancestry...
[Serious] Redditors who are the products of incest (parents, Grand, Great Grand etc.) have any genetic disorders or recessive traits affected you?serious replies only

When I last checked,  there were many hundreds of responses. Here are just a few below. It is a reinforcement of what this blog has said before; one usually doesn't have to go far back in their family history to find ancestors who were close relatives.

Please note that the way the question was asked solicited responses that include accounts of two very different things: assault and sex (which is consensual). It is also important to keep in mind that genetics are just one of many factors that can contribute to health problems.

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Senator Feinstein Introduces (Limited) Respect For Marriage Act

I'm bumping up this argument from March 2011 because I'm hearing that the RFMA is being given another push...


US Senator Dianne Feinstein (California) has introduced a bill for a limited Respect For Marriage Act, which would repeal DOMA, the Denial of Marriage Act. The bill, if it becomes law without any other changes in law, would simply remove at least a portion of the unconstitutional DOMA so that same-sex marriages created in states or countries that currently recognize them would be recognized by the US government. Currenty, no same-sex marriages are.

Reading the language of the bill, it appears to me that it is possible that if one state were to gain the polygamous freedom to marry or the consanguineous freedom to marry (or, do the right thing and institute full marriage equality), the US government would recognize those marriages, too.

The Respect for Marriage Act would repeal DOMA and restore the rights of all lawfully married couples – including tens of thousands of same-sex couples – to receive the benefits of marriage under federal law.

Under current law, legally married, same-sex couples cannot take advantage of federal protections available to every other married couple in this country. These couples cannot:

File joint federal income taxes and claim certain deductions;

Receive spousal benefits under Social Security;

Take unpaid leave under the Family and Medical Leave Act when a loved one falls seriously ill;

Obtain the protections of the estate tax when one spouse passes and wants to leave his or her possessions to another.

And this is important to note…

Joining Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) are co-sponsors: Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.), Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.), John Kerry (D-Mass.), Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.), Chris Coons (D-Del.), Ron Wyden (D-Ore.), Frank R. Lautenberg (D-N.J.), Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.), Jeff Merkley (D-Ore.), Dick Durbin (D-Ill.), Al Franken (D-Minn.), Patty Murray (D-Wash.), Sheldon Whitehouse (D-R.I.), Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.), Mark Udall (D-Colo.), Jeanne Shaheen (D-N.H.), Dan Inouye (D-Hawaii), and Daniel Akaka (D-Hawaii).

It’s a good start, but I call on these Senators to make history for equality and propose the Marriage Equality Amendment.
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Monday, January 5, 2015

What About Donor-Conceived People Getting Together?


The National Infertility and Adoption Education Organization has a Question and Answer about “Accidental Incest between Donor Conceived People.”
Q: How worried should I be about inadvertent partnering of two donor conceived half siblings from the same donor?
The main worry is an artificial one... undue criminalization of such relationships.

From their answer...
While the fear is understandable, many professionals believe the fear is not well founded. For example, we asked this question to Ole Schou, founder and CEO of Cryos International sperm banks, who has researched and spoke to professional groups on this issues. [Note that he is not a native English speaker.]

“There is no reason to be concerned about accidental incest between donor conceived children/adults. The risk is extremely low. Professionals call the risk consanguinity or inbreeding. It is also described as incest. However, this word is surrounded by many taboos and connected to something morally wrong, and is not the best word to use in this situation.
I agree.
The concern is for the increase in recessive DNA disorders in children where the parents DNA are too closely matched. Remember that all humans have plenty of these recessive genes (C.J. Bell 2011).

However, the risk may only be increased some few percentage in comparison to normal procreation. So this is not much. It is more a problem if it continues generation after generation.
That is what we’ve been saying.
This is not relevant for donors as it is only a one generation issue.

Further, the risk that two half siblings from the same donor meet each other is generally very little if the sperm bank distribute internationally or worldwide.
It might be tempting for someone working for a sperm bank to claim that if a donor-conceived person walks into a room with 100 people in it, one conceived from the same donor, and chooses one person to approach, there is only a 1% chance it will be their half-sibling (if we’re talking egg or sperm donation, full sibling if we’re talking donated embryos). However, there odds are probably going to be much higher because of the shared genes. That is one reason Genetic Sexual Attraction happens. Sharing genes can cause people to be strongly attracted to each other. This is going to happen more and more as more and more people, for reasons including donation as well as many other reasons, are raised apart from close genetic relatives.

Donors are often screened for genetic problems, so that is a plus for avoiding problems.

Anyway, it is interesting to see what they had to say about risks to children born of consanguineous parents.

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Thursday, January 1, 2015

Newspapers Get Letters Confusing Consanguinamory With Abuse


Steve Casey of Stonewall wrote in to dailycomet.com very concerned that other people might have relationships or sex.
On Dec. 21, I heard a radio speaker tell about a recent debate in which he had been invited to participate.

The subject of debate was the new hot topic in the changing of American moral values. There were five people in the debate, and the speaker I was hearing was the only one standing for traditional values while the other four were on the side of change and the acceptance of “new standards.”

The new hot topic was: “Should consensual adult incest be legalized?”

Sounds like he's referring to this.
A few years ago, in my annual practice of reading through the Bible, I noted all scriptures that refer to human sexuality.

Irrelevant to secular law. But I do wonder if he noticed this?
If consensual incest between adults becomes acceptable it will increase incest involving all ages.

And the proof of this is? Is...? Oh, right, there is none. Adults have all sorts of rights, entitlements, and responsibilities that minors do not have, just as minors have all sorts of rights, entitlements, and protections that adults do not have. We can't deny adults their rights because of some imagined effect on the behavior of children. It's the same argument often used against erotica ("But what if the children get a hold of it?")
Recently, my wife participated in local grand jury hearings. The hearings were to determine whether or not there was enough evidence to bring the cases to trial. All of the cases involved adult molestation of juveniles. Some involved incest.

Notice how he switched from talking about consenting adults to adults assaulting minors.

Since he brought it up, I'll point out just one way how continued criminalization of consanguinamory can actually hurt children. Let's say the main witness to abuse of the child is, herself, in a consensual relationship with her long lost half brother. The abuser and the abuser's attorney can use the fact that her relationship is illegal to prevent her from cooperating with police (she may already be reluctant to) or to attack her in court and the media. However, if we decriminalize adult relationships, she would be much more likely to speak out, file a police report, and testify effectively against the abuser.

Acceptable incest would lead to the total destruction of the family.

An assertion with nothing backing it up. This blog has documented the opposite, repeatedly. Laws against consensual adult relationships destroy families.

Perhaps this letter writer simply doesn't like that people enjoy themselves and each other and love one another in ways his religious community has decided are wrong?

There is no good reason for the continued criminalization of consensual adult relationships.

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